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From: Jonas Oberhauser <jonas.oberhauser@huaweicloud.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
Cc: Justin Stitt <justinstitt@google.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	linux-hardening@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	llvm@lists.linux.dev
Subject: Re: [RFC] Mitigating unexpected arithmetic overflow
Date: Fri, 17 May 2024 09:45:20 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <99da3934-2c44-4a1f-832f-3f182ddadefa@huaweicloud.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=wjeiGb1UxCy6Q8aif50C=wWDX9Pgp+WbZYrO72+B1f_QA@mail.gmail.com>



Am 5/8/2024 um 10:07 PM schrieb Linus Torvalds:
> And no, the answer is ABSOLUTELY NOT to add cognitive load on kernel
> developers by adding yet more random helper types and/or functions.


Just to show an option without "more types and helper functions", one 
could also instead add a coverage requirement:

Every arithmetic operation should either:
- have a test case where the wrap around happens, or
- have a static analyser say that overflow can not happen, or
- have a static analyser say that overflow is fine (e.g., your a+b < a case)

Then the answer to safe wrap situations isn't to make the kernel code 
less readable, but to have a component-level test that shows that the 
behavior on overflow (in at least one case :)) ) is what the developer 
expected.

For static analysis to prove that overflow can not happen, one sometimes 
would need to add BUG_ON() assertions to let the analyser know the 
assumptions on surrounding code, which has its own benefits.


static inline u32 __item_offset(u32 val)
{
         BUG_ON(val > INT_MAX / ITEM_SIZE_PER_UNIT);
         return val * ITEM_SIZE_PER_UNIT;
}


Obviously, the effort involved is still high. Maybe if someone as a pet 
project proves first that something in this direction is actually worth 
the effort (by uncovering a heap of bugs), one could offer this kind of 
check as an opt-in.


Best wishes,

   jonas


  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-05-17  7:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-05-07 23:27 [RFC] Mitigating unexpected arithmetic overflow Kees Cook
2024-05-08 12:22 ` David Laight
2024-05-08 23:43   ` Kees Cook
2024-05-08 17:52 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-05-08 19:44   ` Kees Cook
2024-05-08 20:07     ` Linus Torvalds
2024-05-08 22:54       ` Kees Cook
2024-05-08 23:47         ` Linus Torvalds
2024-05-09  0:06           ` Linus Torvalds
2024-05-09  0:23           ` Linus Torvalds
2024-05-09  6:11           ` Kees Cook
2024-05-09 14:08             ` Theodore Ts'o
2024-05-09 15:38               ` Linus Torvalds
2024-05-09 17:54                 ` Al Viro
2024-05-09 18:08                   ` Linus Torvalds
2024-05-09 18:39                     ` Linus Torvalds
2024-05-09 18:48                       ` Al Viro
2024-05-09 19:15                         ` Linus Torvalds
2024-05-09 19:28                           ` Al Viro
2024-05-09 21:06                 ` David Laight
2024-05-18  5:11             ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-05-09 21:23           ` David Laight
2024-05-12  8:03           ` Martin Uecker
2024-05-12 16:09             ` Linus Torvalds
2024-05-12 19:29               ` Martin Uecker
2024-05-13 18:34               ` Kees Cook
2024-05-15  7:36           ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-05-15 17:12             ` Justin Stitt
2024-05-16  7:45               ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-05-16 13:30             ` Kees Cook
2024-05-16 14:09               ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-05-16 19:48                 ` Justin Stitt
2024-05-16 20:07                   ` Kees Cook
2024-05-16 20:51                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2024-05-17 21:15                     ` Kees Cook
2024-05-18  2:51                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2024-05-17 22:04                   ` Fangrui Song
2024-05-18 13:08               ` David Laight
2024-05-15  7:57           ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-05-17  7:45       ` Jonas Oberhauser [this message]
2024-05-11 16:19 ` Dan Carpenter
2024-05-13 19:43   ` Kees Cook
2024-05-14  8:45     ` Dan Carpenter
2024-05-18 15:39       ` David Laight

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