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From: Baolu Lu <baolu.lu@linux.intel.com>
To: "Tian, Kevin" <kevin.tian@intel.com>,
	Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>,
	Nicolin Chen <nicolinc@nvidia.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH RFCv1 04/14] iommufd: Add struct iommufd_viommu and iommufd_viommu_ops
Date: Wed, 22 May 2024 17:57:26 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d18d7fea-642f-4b75-ae11-4a0792b14784@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <BN9PR11MB5276423A0BFBDA8346E1ED3C8CEB2@BN9PR11MB5276.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

On 2024/5/22 16:58, Tian, Kevin wrote:
>> From: Jason Gunthorpe<jgg@nvidia.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2024 11:56 PM
>>
>> On Sun, May 12, 2024 at 08:34:02PM -0700, Nicolin Chen wrote:
>>> On Sun, May 12, 2024 at 11:03:53AM -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
>>>> On Fri, Apr 12, 2024 at 08:47:01PM -0700, Nicolin Chen wrote:
>>>>> Add a new iommufd_viommu core structure to represent a vIOMMU
>> instance in
>>>>> the user space, typically backed by a HW-accelerated feature of an
>> IOMMU,
>>>>> e.g. NVIDIA CMDQ-Virtualization (an ARM SMMUv3 extension) and
>> AMD Hardware
>>>>> Accelerated Virtualized IOMMU (vIOMMU).
>>>> I expect this will also be the only way to pass in an associated KVM,
>>>> userspace would supply the kvm when creating the viommu.
>>>>
>>>> The tricky bit of this flow is how to manage the S2. It is necessary
>>>> that the S2 be linked to the viommu:
>>>>
>>>>   1) ARM BTM requires the VMID to be shared with KVM
>>>>   2) AMD and others need the S2 translation because some of the HW
>>>>      acceleration is done inside the guest address space
>>>>
>>>> I haven't looked closely at AMD but presumably the VIOMMU create will
>>>> have to install the S2 into a DID or something?
>>>>
>>>> So we need the S2 to exist before the VIOMMU is created, but the
>>>> drivers are going to need some more fixing before that will fully
>>>> work.
> Can you elaborate on this point? VIOMMU is a dummy container when
> it's created and the association to S2 comes relevant only until when
> VQUEUE is created inside and linked to a device? then there should be
> a window in between allowing the userspace to configure S2.
> 
> Not saying against setting S2 up before vIOMMU creation. Just want
> to better understand the rationale here.
> 
>>>> Does the nesting domain create need the viommu as well (in place of
>>>> the S2 hwpt)? That feels sort of natural.
>>> Yes, I had a similar thought initially: each viommu is backed by
>>> a nested IOMMU HW, and a special HW accelerator like VCMDQ could
>>> be treated as an extension on top of that. It might not be very
>>> straightforward like the current design having vintf<->viommu and
>>> vcmdq <-> vqueue though...
>> vqueue should be considered a sub object of the viommu and hold a
>> refcount on the viommu object for its lifetime.
>>
>>> In that case, we can then support viommu_cache_invalidate, which
>>> is quite natural for SMMUv3. Yet, I recall Kevin said that VT-d
>>> doesn't want or need that.
>> Right, Intel currently doesn't need it, but I feel like everyone will
>> need this eventually as the fast invalidation path is quite important.
>>
> yes, there is no need but I don't see any harm of preparing for such
> extension on VT-d. Logically it's clearer, e.g. if we decide to move
> device TLB invalidation to a separate uAPI then vIOMMU is certainly
> a clearer object to carry it. and hardware extensions really looks like
> optimization on software implementations.
> 
> and we do need make a decision now, given if we make vIOMMU as
> a generic object for all vendors it may have potential impact on
> the user page fault support which Baolu is working on. the so-called
> fault object will be contained in vIOMMU, which is software managed
> on VT-d/SMMU but passed through on AMD. And probably we don't
> need another handle mechanism in the attach path, suppose the
> vIOMMU object already contains necessary information to find out
> iommufd_object for a reported fault.

Yes, if the vIOMMU object tracks all iommufd devices that it manages.

Best regards,
baolu

  reply	other threads:[~2024-05-22  9:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 118+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-04-13  3:46 [PATCH RFCv1 00/14] Add Tegra241 (Grace) CMDQV Support (part 2/2) Nicolin Chen
2024-04-13  3:46 ` [PATCH RFCv1 01/14] iommufd: Move iommufd_object to public iommufd header Nicolin Chen
2024-05-12 13:21   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-12 22:40     ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-13 22:30       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-04-13  3:46 ` [PATCH RFCv1 02/14] iommufd: Swap _iommufd_object_alloc and __iommufd_object_alloc Nicolin Chen
2024-05-12 13:26   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-13  2:29     ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-13  3:44       ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-13 22:30       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-04-13  3:47 ` [PATCH RFCv1 03/14] iommufd: Prepare for viommu structures and functions Nicolin Chen
2024-05-12 13:42   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-13  2:35     ` Nicolin Chen
2024-04-13  3:47 ` [PATCH RFCv1 04/14] iommufd: Add struct iommufd_viommu and iommufd_viommu_ops Nicolin Chen
2024-05-12 14:03   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-13  3:34     ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-14 15:55       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-22  8:58         ` Tian, Kevin
2024-05-22  9:57           ` Baolu Lu [this message]
2024-05-22 13:39           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-23  1:43             ` Tian, Kevin
2024-05-23  4:01               ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-23  5:40                 ` Tian, Kevin
2024-05-23 12:58               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-24  2:16                 ` Tian, Kevin
2024-05-24 13:03                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-24  2:36                 ` Tian, Kevin
2024-04-13  3:47 ` [PATCH RFCv1 05/14] iommufd: Add IOMMUFD_OBJ_VIOMMU and IOMMUFD_CMD_VIOMMU_ALLOC Nicolin Chen
2024-05-12 14:27   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-13  4:33     ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-14 15:38       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-15  1:20         ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-21 18:05           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-22  0:13             ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-22 16:46               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-04-13  3:47 ` [PATCH RFCv1 06/14] iommufd/selftest: Add IOMMU_VIOMMU_ALLOC test coverage Nicolin Chen
2024-04-13  3:47 ` [PATCH RFCv1 07/14] iommufd: Add viommu set/unset_dev_id ops Nicolin Chen
2024-05-12 14:46   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-13  4:39     ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-14 15:53       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-15  1:59         ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-21 18:24           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-21 22:27             ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-22 13:59               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-23  6:19             ` Tian, Kevin
2024-05-23 15:01               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-24  2:21                 ` Tian, Kevin
2024-05-24  3:26                   ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-24  5:24                     ` Tian, Kevin
2024-05-24  5:57                       ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-24  7:21                         ` Tian, Kevin
2024-05-24 13:12                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-24 13:05                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-23  5:44       ` Tian, Kevin
2024-05-23  6:09         ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-23  6:22           ` Tian, Kevin
2024-05-23 13:33         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-12 14:51   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-04-13  3:47 ` [PATCH RFCv1 08/14] iommufd: Add IOMMU_VIOMMU_SET_DEV_ID ioctl Nicolin Chen
2024-05-12 14:58   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-13  5:24     ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-17  5:14     ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-21 18:30       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-22  2:15         ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-23  6:42   ` Tian, Kevin
2024-05-24  5:40     ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-24  7:13       ` Tian, Kevin
2024-05-24 13:19         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-27  1:08           ` Tian, Kevin
2024-05-28 20:22             ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-28 20:33               ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-29  2:58               ` Tian, Kevin
2024-05-29  3:20                 ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-30  0:28                   ` Tian, Kevin
2024-05-30  0:58                     ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-30  3:05                       ` Tian, Kevin
2024-05-30  4:26                         ` Nicolin Chen
2024-06-01 21:45                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-03  3:25                         ` Nicolin Chen
2024-06-06 18:24                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-06 18:44                             ` Nicolin Chen
2024-06-07  0:27                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-07  0:36                                 ` Tian, Kevin
2024-06-07 14:49                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-07 21:19                                     ` Nicolin Chen
2024-06-10 12:04                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-10 20:01                                         ` Nicolin Chen
2024-06-10 22:01                                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-10 23:04                                             ` Nicolin Chen
2024-06-11  0:28                                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-11  0:44                                                 ` Nicolin Chen
2024-06-11 12:17                                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-11 19:11                                                     ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-28 20:30             ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-24 13:20       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-04-13  3:47 ` [PATCH RFCv1 09/14] iommufd/selftest: Add IOMMU_VIOMMU_SET_DEV_ID test coverage Nicolin Chen
2024-04-13  3:47 ` [PATCH RFCv1 10/14] iommufd/selftest: Add IOMMU_TEST_OP_MV_CHECK_DEV_ID Nicolin Chen
2024-04-13  3:47 ` [PATCH RFCv1 11/14] iommufd: Add struct iommufd_vqueue and its related viommu ops Nicolin Chen
2024-04-13  3:47 ` [PATCH RFCv1 12/14] iommufd: Add IOMMUFD_OBJ_VQUEUE and IOMMUFD_CMD_VQUEUE_ALLOC Nicolin Chen
2024-05-12 15:02   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-13  4:41     ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-13 22:36       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-23  6:57     ` Tian, Kevin
2024-05-24  4:42       ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-24  5:26         ` Tian, Kevin
2024-05-24  6:03           ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-23  7:05   ` Tian, Kevin
2024-04-13  3:47 ` [PATCH RFCv1 13/14] iommufd: Add mmap infrastructure Nicolin Chen
2024-05-12 15:19   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-13  4:43     ` Nicolin Chen
2024-04-13  3:47 ` [PATCH RFCv1 14/14] iommu/tegra241-cmdqv: Add user-space use support Nicolin Chen
2024-05-22  8:40 ` [PATCH RFCv1 00/14] Add Tegra241 (Grace) CMDQV Support (part 2/2) Tian, Kevin
2024-05-22 16:48   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-22 19:47     ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-22 23:28       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-22 23:43         ` Tian, Kevin
2024-05-23  3:09           ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-23 12:48             ` Jason Gunthorpe

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