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From: Eric Wong <e@80x24.org>
To: Simon Eskildsen <simon.eskildsen@shopify.com>
Cc: unicorn-public@bogomips.org, raindrops-public@bogomips.org
Subject: Re: check_client_connection using getsockopt(2)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2017 03:52:34 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170223035234.GA26415@whir> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAO3HKM6AFH2cg1nxVTCfq6jNshaOZEPgPivdFQGz7ovZzWzKFQ@mail.gmail.com>

Simon Eskildsen <simon.eskildsen@shopify.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 8:42 PM, Eric Wong <e@80x24.org> wrote:
> > Simon Eskildsen <simon.eskildsen@shopify.com> wrote:
> >> I meant to ask, in Raindrops why do you use the netlink API to get the
> >> socket backlog instead of `getsockopt(2)` with `TCP_INFO` to get
> >> `tcpi_unacked`? (as described in
> >> http://www.ryanfrantz.com/posts/apache-tcp-backlog/) We use this to
> >> monitor socket backlogs with a sidekick Ruby daemon. Although we're
> >> looking to replace it with a middleware to simplify for Kubernetes.
> >> It's one of our main metrics for monitoring performance, especially
> >> around deploys.
> >
> > The netlink API allows independently-spawned processes to
> > monitor others; so it can be system-wide.  TCP_INFO requires the
> > process doing the checking to also have the socket open.
> >
> > I guess this reasoning for using netlink is invalid for containers,
> > though...
> If you namespace the network it's problematic, yeah. I'm considering
> right now putting Raindrops in a middleware with the netlink API
> inside the container, but it feels weird. That said, if you consider
> the alternative of using `getsockopt(2)` on the listening socket, I
> don't know how you'd get access to the Unicorn listening socket from a
> middleware. Would it be nuts to expose a hook in Unicorn that allows
> periodic execution for monitoring listening stats from Raindrops on
> the listening socket? It seems somewhat of a narrow use-case, but on
> the other hand I'm also not a fan of doing
> `Raindrops::Linux.tcp_listener_stats("localhost:#{ENV["PORT"}")`, but
> that might be less ugly.

Yeah, all options get pretty ugly since Rack doesn't expose that
in a standardized way.  Unicorn::HttpServer::LISTENERS is a
historical constant which stores all listeners used by some
parts of raindrops.

Maybe relying on ObjectSpace or walking the LISTEN_FDS env from
systemd is acceptable for other servers *shrug*

Another way might be to rely on tcpi_last_data_recv in struct
tcp_info from each and every client socket.  That should tell
you when a client stopped writing to the socket, which works for
most HTTP requests.  You could use the same getsockopt() call
you'd use for check_client_connection to read that field.

However, this won't be visible until the client is accept()ed.

raindrops actually has some support for this, but it was
ugly, too (hooking into *accept* methods):

Perhaps refinements could be used, nowadays (I've never used
them).  Just throwing options out there...

In any case, what I definitely do not want is to introduced more
specialized configuration or API which might lock people into
unicorn or having to burden people with versioning incompatibilies.

> > (*) So I've been wondering if adding a "unicorn-mode" to an
> >     existing C10K, slow-client-capable Ruby/Rack server +
> >     reverse proxy makes sense for containerized deploys.
> >     Maybe...
> I'd love to hear more about this idea. What are you contemplating?

Maybe another time, and not on the unicorn list.  I don't feel
comfortable writing about unrelated/tangential projects on the
unicorn list, even if I'm the leader of both projects.  Anyways,
this other server is also in the rack README.md and I've been
announcing it on ruby-talk since 2013.

      reply	other threads:[~2017-02-23  3:52 UTC|newest]

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2017-02-22 18:33 ` check_client_connection using getsockopt(2) Eric Wong
2017-02-22 20:09   ` Simon Eskildsen
2017-02-23  1:42     ` Eric Wong
2017-02-23  2:42       ` Simon Eskildsen
2017-02-23  3:52         ` Eric Wong [this message]

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