From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.0 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIMWL_WL_HIGH, DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7534C433E0 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 21:44:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E6D7619D0 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 21:44:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S233674AbhCWVna (ORCPT ); Tue, 23 Mar 2021 17:43:30 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:58672 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S233672AbhCWVnV (ORCPT ); Tue, 23 Mar 2021 17:43:21 -0400 Received: from mail-qk1-x731.google.com (mail-qk1-x731.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::731]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 308BBC061574 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 14:43:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qk1-x731.google.com with SMTP id x14so16047448qki.10 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 14:43:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=linuxfoundation.org; s=google; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-disposition:in-reply-to; bh=9A5rYZcglsBI7NEDlAoTBU4Zl5wr8vyLdFv+U1vnm5o=; b=cU2MWXhrmvMJIPPFY+bbxexi0G0jjM8KNFl8VyfkYeVEF1MFNe/fqJxh7GgUPTFflR SqPsyfx5OyaVhrGA0H1VHSSGQAZLMkXY+YcBwxP1b7GoFjJYf3XxeaZXnYNHCRj38NDz +2sWveYk4PiEK7Ikf0nRgCsW3BPpRdxdvRz2k= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:content-disposition :in-reply-to; bh=9A5rYZcglsBI7NEDlAoTBU4Zl5wr8vyLdFv+U1vnm5o=; b=frh+WS+FIs/Qgqq7IVhUuiPVPh0Bh7KIdPjMJo1FeppnU1Sn9spmAwKgr7zGpxVXAw xhlUCGqgbkc6uxWJjL5BHA/ENcTC69baJRzgV114zI4C8msd4IDCix1vfJv+oLCmx4fo /Vj1v4O9BoC5PWhYBFuNsqtyh0QzV8lZavP9sFWQYzauijIybmIa0xIcw8pLnki0cw/L /rbENZplvMX+2EvCEPC2iOE2tY3+a5Ij9a2dqyZ80QjP5ci5vpIeagLKO5n6RY1xYOLd GifM70O+quJXNCMWKS1zPeGxqLIhYiOVzyJXzN+BpPwReRCi6L0pq7yw1/4tc8cRi1yt C7zQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531M9FqrPRm/BuBQKV3cL3Jdw/865s2mI1k4sbMsS5WkezuyMJZV PjJ2Lz3MxclNYk/KnCc+glK8jA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxZJb+JsRQXrSlu96XRPInFDlUZede/dKLcYwQmDxWVCkMrvz2KcEfc8dhtyw7wL7Ctm5VKuA== X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:819:: with SMTP id s25mr79910qks.485.1616535799383; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 14:43:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chatter.i7.local ([89.36.78.230]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 79sm163979qki.37.2021.03.23.14.43.18 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 23 Mar 2021 14:43:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 17:43:17 -0400 From: Konstantin Ryabitsev To: James Bottomley Cc: Steven Rostedt , Thorsten Leemhuis , ksummit , Greg KH , Linux Kernel Mailing List , workflows@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] RFC: create mailing list "linux-issues" focussed on issues/bugs and regressions Message-ID: <20210323214317.t3igv3nan4lfolgr@chatter.i7.local> Mail-Followup-To: James Bottomley , Steven Rostedt , Thorsten Leemhuis , ksummit , Greg KH , Linux Kernel Mailing List , workflows@vger.kernel.org References: <613fe50d-fc9c-6282-f1f3-34653acb2ee9@leemhuis.info> <62b60247-7838-a624-706e-b1a54785b2a5@leemhuis.info> <20210323122025.77888b49@gandalf.local.home> <72f1c67bc8ad21bb1e5a7d77b88e2c3e50065e3b.camel@HansenPartnership.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <72f1c67bc8ad21bb1e5a7d77b88e2c3e50065e3b.camel@HansenPartnership.com> Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 09:30:33AM -0700, James Bottomley wrote: > > I think the bulk of user issues are going to be regressions. Although > > you may be in a better position to know for sure, but at least for > > me, wearing my "user" hat, the thing that gets me the most is > > upgrading to a new kernel and suddenly something that use to work no > > longer does. And that is the definition of a regression. My test > > boxes still run old distros (one is running fedora 13). These are the > > boxes that catch the most issues, and if they do, they are pretty > > much guaranteed to be a regression. > > > > I like the "linux-regressions" mailing list idea. > > Can't we use the fancy features of public inbox to get the best of both > worlds? Have the bug list (or even a collection of lists) but make the > linux-regressions one a virtual list keying off an imap flag which a > group of people control. That way anything that is flagged as a > regression appears in that public inbox. I assume the search can be > quite wide so we could flag a regression on any list indexed by lore? There's a number of ways we can accomplish this, sure. However, this functionality is not in production yet, and I'm not sure which upcoming public-inbox features we'll be implementing as a public lore.kernel.org service, which ones we'll only offer to kernel.org account holders, and which ones should really be running locally by developers themselves. So, I don't want to say either yes or no to this one for the fear of over-promising. I guess this is why I'm not in sales. :) -K From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.6 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_INVALID, DKIM_SIGNED,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F1E9C433DB for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 21:43:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp3.osuosl.org (smtp3.osuosl.org [140.211.166.136]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0F544619CE for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 21:43:24 +0000 (UTC) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org 0F544619CE Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=linuxfoundation.org Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; 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Tue, 23 Mar 2021 14:43:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 17:43:17 -0400 From: Konstantin Ryabitsev To: James Bottomley Message-ID: <20210323214317.t3igv3nan4lfolgr@chatter.i7.local> Mail-Followup-To: James Bottomley , Steven Rostedt , Thorsten Leemhuis , ksummit , Greg KH , Linux Kernel Mailing List , workflows@vger.kernel.org References: <613fe50d-fc9c-6282-f1f3-34653acb2ee9@leemhuis.info> <62b60247-7838-a624-706e-b1a54785b2a5@leemhuis.info> <20210323122025.77888b49@gandalf.local.home> <72f1c67bc8ad21bb1e5a7d77b88e2c3e50065e3b.camel@HansenPartnership.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <72f1c67bc8ad21bb1e5a7d77b88e2c3e50065e3b.camel@HansenPartnership.com> Cc: ksummit , Greg KH , Linux Kernel Mailing List , Thorsten Leemhuis , workflows@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] RFC: create mailing list "linux-issues" focussed on issues/bugs and regressions X-BeenThere: ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: ksummit-discuss-bounces@lists.linuxfoundation.org Sender: "Ksummit-discuss" On Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 09:30:33AM -0700, James Bottomley wrote: > > I think the bulk of user issues are going to be regressions. Although > > you may be in a better position to know for sure, but at least for > > me, wearing my "user" hat, the thing that gets me the most is > > upgrading to a new kernel and suddenly something that use to work no > > longer does. And that is the definition of a regression. My test > > boxes still run old distros (one is running fedora 13). These are the > > boxes that catch the most issues, and if they do, they are pretty > > much guaranteed to be a regression. > > > > I like the "linux-regressions" mailing list idea. > > Can't we use the fancy features of public inbox to get the best of both > worlds? Have the bug list (or even a collection of lists) but make the > linux-regressions one a virtual list keying off an imap flag which a > group of people control. That way anything that is flagged as a > regression appears in that public inbox. I assume the search can be > quite wide so we could flag a regression on any list indexed by lore? There's a number of ways we can accomplish this, sure. However, this functionality is not in production yet, and I'm not sure which upcoming public-inbox features we'll be implementing as a public lore.kernel.org service, which ones we'll only offer to kernel.org account holders, and which ones should really be running locally by developers themselves. So, I don't want to say either yes or no to this one for the fear of over-promising. I guess this is why I'm not in sales. :) -K _______________________________________________ Ksummit-discuss mailing list Ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ksummit-discuss