From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AFBE770 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2021 07:58:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F0917613E1; Fri, 23 Apr 2021 07:58:34 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=k20201202; t=1619164716; bh=AR0q04wxBlRwOLJfHUr/PQ76AR/Mto+Ugv0PSOQtqug=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=enIZrelhTN6PvxwKfIzEeo1OepXzMb6A9Bsi5/Q4wsLR0z/RGP7okCPjbjm8Q/Zzc /8S+npizfolq6ZgCTzw74971ZNjVgVuXa0WPYLul8kRn4XMhaB3M3crAaEiiPr4NvO +fpBiJoIJLJKdGteJC7LjfAsjEg2zcbBTbCcR0dPtu/Rnd24ctqCn4clJfLjtZwxKk WKvToJ+mn52l8y3Y0W1op2Hh4WYS/p1j6MSbfpIz43CrIUGhPejccJPVkRNYHZxg7W uvmmLsHEm3uI+1QLG4t2gk8O32j+QxCXYvzWyQCsNgD08v5yWbKaw+e2UvS6alr9VI 1C7737QqnEMbQ== Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2021 09:58:30 +0200 From: Mauro Carvalho Chehab To: Steven Rostedt Cc: James Bottomley , Shuah Khan , ksummit@lists.linux.dev, Greg KH Subject: Re: [MAINTAINER SUMMIT] Rethinking the acceptance policy for "trivial" patches Message-ID: <20210423095830.684d22c4@coco.lan> In-Reply-To: <20210422115235.0526dabd@gandalf.local.home> References: <20210422123559.1dc647fb@coco.lan> <0d83502f-eb29-9b06-ada8-fcd03f9c87a8@linuxfoundation.org> <20210422115235.0526dabd@gandalf.local.home> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.8 (GTK+ 2.24.33; x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu) X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Em Thu, 22 Apr 2021 11:52:35 -0400 Steven Rostedt escreveu: > On Thu, 22 Apr 2021 08:48:21 -0700 > James Bottomley wrote: > > > On Thu, 2021-04-22 at 08:42 -0700, James Bottomley wrote: > > [...] > > > 2. Improving the requirement for bug fixes and large series, like > > > cover letters to everyone, adding fixes: tag and clear explanation. > > > > Just on this one, can we get the mailing list to help now we're moving > > to a new infrastructure? I was already thinking of asking if it could > > reject email with html parts rather than simply losing it, but perhaps > > it could reject threaded submissions where the cover letter isn't > > correctly cc'd? I know that's a big ask because there has to be an > > easy way to recognize them (heuristics on the PATCH tag?) and a way to > > recognize missing cc's (perhaps simply that someone cc'd on the > > threaded [PATCH x/y] reply isn't cc'd on [PATCH 0/y]?) > > Unfortunately, this breaks all quilt users, as quilt does not support this. This will also break patch series that touch several subsystems. Out of curiosity, I ran my script letting it to place at the cover letter maintainers, reviewers and mailing lists, for this patch series: [PATCH 000/190] Revertion of all of the umn.edu commits https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/YIJyzkgglMrAzIwh@kroah.com/T/#m087445f69f5dd590b9ad5f4cdd62c2a812956435 The number of e-mails to be C/c is 221 e-mails! (see enclosed) An e-mail like that will almost for sure be ignored by all mail servers[1], as the e-mail will be considered as SPAM. [1] Except if the servers would have explicit rules to allow such really big c/c list to be accepted from maintainers, which is risky. Looking at the actual e-mail from Greg at lore, the CC list was a lot smaller than that: Cc: Greg Kroah-Hartman , Linus Torvalds , Aditya Pakki , Kangjie Lu , Qiushi Wu , x86@kernel.org, Bjorn Helgaas , "Rafael J. Wysocki" , Arnd Bergmann , David Airlie , Michael Turquette , Bjorn Andersson , Linus Walleij , Bartosz Golaszewski , Daniel Vetter , Jean Delvare , Guenter Roeck , Jiri Kosina , Will Deacon , Laurent Pinchart , Jakub Kicinski , "David S. Miller" , Johan Hovold , Jiri Slaby , Pablo Neira Ayuso , Johannes Berg , Takashi Iwai (Not sure what criteria Greg used to shorten the C/c list) Thanks, Mauro --- The auto-generated list of c/c is: patches/tmp/0000-cover-letter.patch: Cc: "David S. Miller" Cc: "H. Peter Anvin" Cc: "James E.J. Bottomley" Cc: "Lad, Prabhakar" Cc: "Martin K. Petersen" Cc: "Michael S. Tsirkin" Cc: "Rafael J. Wysocki" Cc: Adit Ranadive Cc: Alan Stern Cc: Alasdair Kergon Cc: Alessandro Zummo Cc: Alex Elder Cc: Alex Williamson Cc: Alexander Aring Cc: Alexandre Belloni Cc: Alexandre Bounine Cc: Alexandre Torgue Cc: Alim Akhtar Cc: Amitkumar Karwar Cc: Andreas Noever Cc: Andrew Jeffery Cc: Andrew Lunn Cc: Andrzej Hajda Cc: Andy Gross Cc: Ard Biesheuvel Cc: Arnd Bergmann Cc: Avri Altman Cc: Bartosz Golaszewski Cc: Benjamin Tissoires Cc: Benoit Parrot Cc: Benson Leung Cc: Bjorn Andersson Cc: Borislav Petkov Cc: Chas Williams <3chas3@gmail.com> Cc: Chen-Yu Tsai Cc: Chris Leech Cc: Chris Snook Cc: Clemens Ladisch Cc: Cornelia Huck Cc: Daniel Lezcano Cc: Daniel Vetter Cc: David Ahern Cc: David Airlie Cc: David Rhodes Cc: Dmitry Torokhov Cc: Enric Balletbo i Serra Cc: Erik Andren Cc: Ezequiel Garcia Cc: Fabio Estevam Cc: Felipe Balbi Cc: Ferenc Bakonyi Cc: Florian Fainelli Cc: Florian Westphal Cc: Gabriel Somlo Cc: Ganapathi Bhat Cc: Greg Kroah-Hartman Cc: Guenter Roeck Cc: Guenter Roeck Cc: Hans Verkuil Cc: Hans de Goede Cc: Heiko Stuebner Cc: Hideaki YOSHIFUJI Cc: Ingo Molnar Cc: Jacob Chen Cc: Jakub Kicinski Cc: James Morse Cc: James Schulman Cc: Jan Kara Cc: Jaroslav Kysela Cc: Jean Delvare Cc: Jean-Paul Roubelat Cc: Jernej Skrabec Cc: Jiri Kosina Cc: Joerg Roedel Cc: Johan Hovold Cc: Johannes Berg Cc: John Fastabend Cc: Jon Maloy Cc: Jonathan Cameron Cc: Jozsef Kadlecsik Cc: KP Singh Cc: Kalle Valo Cc: Karsten Keil Cc: Kirti Wankhede Cc: Krzysztof Kozlowski Cc: Krzysztof Opasiak Cc: Lars-Peter Clausen Cc: Lee Duncan Cc: Linus Walleij Cc: Marcin Wojtas Cc: Mark Brown Cc: Mark Greer Cc: Martin KaFai Lau Cc: Matt Porter Cc: Matthias Schwarzott Cc: Mauro Carvalho Chehab Cc: Maxime Coquelin Cc: Maxime Ripard Cc: Michael Jamet Cc: Michael Turquette Cc: Michal Ostrowski Cc: Mika Westerberg Cc: Mike Snitzer Cc: NXP Linux Team Cc: Oder Chiou Cc: Pablo Neira Ayuso Cc: Patrik Jakobsson Cc: Pavel Machek Cc: Pengutronix Kernel Team Cc: Peter Meerwald-Stadler Cc: Peter Oberparleiter Cc: Philipp Zabel Cc: Ping-Ke Shih Cc: Pravin B Shelar Cc: Richard Genoud Cc: Rob Herring Cc: Robert Foss Cc: Robert Richter Cc: Russell King Cc: SHA-cyfmac-dev-list@infineon.com Cc: Sascha Hauer Cc: Sebastian Reichel Cc: Sharvari Harisangam Cc: Shawn Guo Cc: Simon Horman Cc: Siva Rebbagondla Cc: Solomon Peachy Cc: Song Liu Cc: Stefan Schmidt Cc: Stefano Stabellini Cc: Stephen Boyd Cc: Steven Rostedt Cc: Takashi Iwai Cc: Thomas Gleixner Cc: Todor Tomov Cc: Tony Lindgren Cc: VMware PV-Drivers Cc: Vaibhav Agarwal Cc: Vinod Koul Cc: Vivien Didelot Cc: Vladimir Oltean Cc: Will Deacon Cc: Xinming Hu Cc: Xue Liu Cc: Yehezkel Bernat Cc: Ying Xue Cc: Yonghong Song Cc: alsa-devel@alsa-project.org Cc: amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org Cc: bpf@vger.kernel.org Cc: brcm80211-dev-list.pdl@broadcom.com Cc: clang-built-linux@googlegroups.com Cc: coreteam@netfilter.org Cc: dev@openvswitch.org Cc: dm-devel@redhat.com Cc: dmaengine@vger.kernel.org Cc: dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org Cc: ecryptfs@vger.kernel.org Cc: greybus-dev@lists.linaro.org Cc: intel-wired-lan@lists.osuosl.org Cc: iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org Cc: kvm@vger.kernel.org Cc: libertas-dev@lists.infradead.org Cc: linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org Cc: linux-afs@lists.infradead.org Cc: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org Cc: linux-arm-msm@vger.kernel.org Cc: linux-aspeed@lists.ozlabs.org Cc: linux-atm-general@lists.sourceforge.net Cc: linux-audit@redhat.com Cc: linux-clk@vger.kernel.org Cc: linux-edac@vger.kernel.org Cc: linux-efi@vger.kernel.org Cc: linux-fbdev@vger.kernel.org Cc: linux-gpio@vger.kernel.org Cc: linux-hams@vger.kernel.org Cc: linux-hwmon@vger.kernel.org Cc: linux-iio@vger.kernel.org Cc: linux-input@vger.kernel.org Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Cc: linux-leds@vger.kernel.org Cc: linux-media@vger.kernel.org Cc: linux-mmc@vger.kernel.org Cc: linux-nfc@lists.01.org Cc: linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org Cc: linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org Cc: linux-nvidia@lists.surfsouth.com Cc: linux-omap@vger.kernel.org Cc: linux-pci@vger.kernel.org Cc: linux-pm@vger.kernel.org Cc: linux-raid@vger.kernel.org Cc: linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org Cc: linux-renesas-soc@vger.kernel.org Cc: linux-rockchip@lists.infradead.org Cc: linux-rtc@vger.kernel.org Cc: linux-s390@vger.kernel.org Cc: linux-samsung-soc@vger.kernel.org Cc: linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org Cc: linux-serial@vger.kernel.org Cc: linux-spi@vger.kernel.org Cc: linux-staging@lists.linux.dev Cc: linux-stm32@st-md-mailman.stormreply.com Cc: linux-sunxi@lists.linux.dev Cc: linux-tegra@vger.kernel.org Cc: linux-usb@vger.kernel.org Cc: linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org Cc: linux-wpan@vger.kernel.org Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org Cc: netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org Cc: nouveau@lists.freedesktop.org Cc: ocfs2-devel@oss.oracle.com Cc: open-iscsi@googlegroups.com Cc: oss-drivers@netronome.com Cc: patches@opensource.cirrus.com Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org Cc: rds-devel@oss.oracle.com Cc: target-devel@vger.kernel.org Cc: tipc-discussion@lists.sourceforge.net Cc: usb-storage@lists.one-eyed-alien.net Cc: x86@kernel.org Cc: xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org Number of Cc at cover: 221