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From: John Harrison <John.C.Harrison@Intel.com>
To: Chris Wilson <chris@chris-wilson.co.uk>,
	Daniel Vetter <daniel@ffwll.ch>,
	Intel-GFX@Lists.FreeDesktop.Org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 48/55] drm/i915: Add *_ring_begin() to request allocation
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 12:21:55 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5582A9D3.8060306@Intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150617155206.GM24012@nuc-i3427.alporthouse.com>

On 17/06/2015 16:52, Chris Wilson wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 04:54:42PM +0200, Daniel Vetter wrote:
>> On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 03:27:08PM +0100, Chris Wilson wrote:
>>> On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 03:31:59PM +0200, Daniel Vetter wrote:
>>>> On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 05:44:09PM +0100, John.C.Harrison@Intel.com wrote:
>>>>> From: John Harrison <John.C.Harrison@Intel.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> Now that the *_ring_begin() functions no longer call the request allocation
>>>>> code, it is finally safe for the request allocation code to call *_ring_begin().
>>>>> This is important to guarantee that the space reserved for the subsequent
>>>>> i915_add_request() call does actually get reserved.
>>>>>
>>>>> v2: Renamed functions according to review feedback (Tomas Elf).
>>>>>
>>>>> For: VIZ-5115
>>>>> Signed-off-by: John Harrison <John.C.Harrison@Intel.com>
>>>> Still has my question open from the previos round:
>>>>
>>>> http://mid.gmane.org/20150323091030.GL1349@phenom.ffwll.local
>>>>
>>>> Note that this isn't all that unlikely with GuC mode since there the
>>>> ringbuffer is substantially smaller (due to firmware limitations) than
>>>> what we allocate ourselves right now.
>>> Looking at this patch, I am still fundamentally opposed to reserving
>>> space for the request. Detecting a request that wraps and cancelling
>>> that request (after the appropriate WARN for the overlow) is trivial and
>>> such a rare case (as it is a programming error) that it should only be
>>> handled in the slow path.
>> I thought the entire point here that we don't have request half-committed
>> because the final request ringcmds didn't fit in. And that does require
>> that we reserve a bit of space for that postamble.
>>
>> I guess if it's too much (atm it's super-pessimistic due to ilk) we can
>> make per-platform reservation limits to be really minimal.
>>
>> Maybe we could go towards a rollback model longterm of rewingind the
>> ringbuffer. But if there's no clear need I'd like to avoid that
>> complexity.
> Even if you didn't like the rollback model which helps handling the
> partial state from context switches and what not, if you run out of
> ringspace you can set the GPU as wedged. Issuing a request that fills
> the entire ringbuffer is a programming bug that needs to be caught very
> early in development.
> -Chris
>

I'm still confused by what you are saying in the above referenced email. 
Part of it is about the sanity checks failing to handle the wrapping 
case correctly which has been fixed in the base reserve space patch 
(patch 2 in the series). The rest is either saying that you think we are 
potentially wrappping too early and wasting a few bytes of the ring 
buffer or that something is actually broken?

Point 2: 100 bytes of reserve, 160 bytes of execbuf and 200 bytes 
remaining. You seem to think this will fail somehow? Why? The 
wait_for_space(160) in the execbuf code will cause a wrap because the 
the 100 bytes for the add_request reservation is added on and the wait 
is actually being done for 260 bytes. So yes, we wrap earlier than would 
otherwise have been necessary but that is the only way to absolutely 
guarantee that the add_request() call cannot fail when trying to do the 
wrap itself.

As Chris says, if the driver is attempting to create a single request 
that fills the entire ringbuffer then that is a bug that should be 
caught as soon as possible. Even with a Guc, the ring buffer is not 
small compared to the size of requests the driver currently produces. 
Part of the scheduler work is to limit the number of batch buffers that 
a given application/context can have outstanding in the ring buffer at 
any given time in order to prevent starvation of the rest of the system 
by one badly behaved app. Thus completely filling a large ring buffer 
becomes impossible anyway - the application will be blocked before it 
gets that far.

Note that with the removal of the OLR, all requests now have a definite 
start and a definite end. Thus the scheme could be extended to provide 
rollback of the ring buffer. Each new request takes a note of the ring 
pointers at creation time. If the request is cancelled it can reset the 
pointers to where they were before. Thus all half submitted work is 
discarded. That is a much bigger semantic change however, so I would 
really like to get the bare minimum anti-OLR patch set in first before 
trying to do fancy extra features.

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Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-05-29 16:43 [PATCH 00/55] Remove the outstanding_lazy_request John.C.Harrison
2015-05-29 16:43 ` [PATCH 01/55] drm/i915: Re-instate request->uniq becuase it is extremely useful John.C.Harrison
2015-06-03 11:14   ` Tomas Elf
2015-05-29 16:43 ` [PATCH 02/55] drm/i915: Reserve ring buffer space for i915_add_request() commands John.C.Harrison
2015-06-02 18:14   ` Tomas Elf
2015-06-04 12:06   ` John.C.Harrison
2015-06-09 16:00     ` Tomas Elf
2015-06-18 12:10       ` John.C.Harrison
2015-06-17 14:04     ` Daniel Vetter
2015-06-18 10:43       ` John Harrison
2015-06-19 16:34   ` John.C.Harrison
2015-06-22 20:12     ` Daniel Vetter
2015-06-23 11:38       ` John Harrison
2015-06-23 13:24         ` Daniel Vetter
2015-06-23 15:43           ` John Harrison
2015-06-23 20:00             ` Daniel Vetter
2015-06-24 12:18               ` John Harrison
2015-06-24 12:45                 ` Daniel Vetter
2015-06-24 17:05                   ` John Harrison
2015-05-29 16:43 ` [PATCH 03/55] drm/i915: i915_add_request must not fail John.C.Harrison
2015-06-02 18:16   ` Tomas Elf
2015-06-04 14:07     ` John Harrison
2015-06-05 10:55       ` Tomas Elf
2015-06-23 10:16   ` Chris Wilson
2015-06-23 10:47     ` John Harrison
2015-05-29 16:43 ` [PATCH 04/55] drm/i915: Early alloc request in execbuff John.C.Harrison
2015-05-29 16:43 ` [PATCH 05/55] drm/i915: Set context in request from creation even in legacy mode John.C.Harrison
2015-05-29 16:43 ` [PATCH 06/55] drm/i915: Merged the many do_execbuf() parameters into a structure John.C.Harrison
2015-05-29 16:43 ` [PATCH 07/55] drm/i915: Simplify i915_gem_execbuffer_retire_commands() parameters John.C.Harrison
2015-05-29 16:43 ` [PATCH 08/55] drm/i915: Update alloc_request to return the allocated request John.C.Harrison
2015-05-29 16:43 ` [PATCH 09/55] drm/i915: Add request to execbuf params and add explicit cleanup John.C.Harrison
2015-05-29 16:43 ` [PATCH 10/55] drm/i915: Update the dispatch tracepoint to use params->request John.C.Harrison
2015-05-29 16:43 ` [PATCH 11/55] drm/i915: Update move_to_gpu() to take a request structure John.C.Harrison
2015-05-29 16:43 ` [PATCH 12/55] drm/i915: Update execbuffer_move_to_active() " John.C.Harrison
2015-05-29 16:43 ` [PATCH 13/55] drm/i915: Add flag to i915_add_request() to skip the cache flush John.C.Harrison
2015-06-02 18:19   ` Tomas Elf
2015-05-29 16:43 ` [PATCH 14/55] drm/i915: Update i915_gpu_idle() to manage its own request John.C.Harrison
2015-05-29 16:43 ` [PATCH 15/55] drm/i915: Split i915_ppgtt_init_hw() in half - generic and per ring John.C.Harrison
2015-06-18 12:11   ` John.C.Harrison
2015-05-29 16:43 ` [PATCH 16/55] drm/i915: Moved the for_each_ring loop outside of i915_gem_context_enable() John.C.Harrison
2015-05-29 16:43 ` [PATCH 17/55] drm/i915: Don't tag kernel batches as user batches John.C.Harrison
2015-05-29 16:43 ` [PATCH 18/55] drm/i915: Add explicit request management to i915_gem_init_hw() John.C.Harrison
2015-06-02 18:20   ` Tomas Elf
2015-05-29 16:43 ` [PATCH 19/55] drm/i915: Update ppgtt_init_ring() & context_enable() to take requests John.C.Harrison
2015-05-29 16:43 ` [PATCH 20/55] drm/i915: Update i915_switch_context() to take a request structure John.C.Harrison
2015-05-29 16:43 ` [PATCH 21/55] drm/i915: Update do_switch() " John.C.Harrison
2015-05-29 16:43 ` [PATCH 22/55] drm/i915: Update deferred context creation to do explicit request management John.C.Harrison
2015-06-02 18:22   ` Tomas Elf
2015-05-29 16:43 ` [PATCH 23/55] drm/i915: Update init_context() to take a request structure John.C.Harrison
2015-05-29 16:43 ` [PATCH 24/55] drm/i915: Update render_state_init() " John.C.Harrison
2015-05-29 16:43 ` [PATCH 25/55] drm/i915: Update i915_gem_object_sync() " John.C.Harrison
2015-06-02 18:26   ` Tomas Elf
2015-06-04 12:57     ` John Harrison
2015-06-18 12:14       ` John.C.Harrison
2015-06-18 12:21         ` Chris Wilson
2015-06-18 12:59           ` John Harrison
2015-06-18 14:24             ` Daniel Vetter
2015-06-18 15:39               ` Chris Wilson
2015-06-18 16:16                 ` John Harrison
2015-06-22 20:03                   ` Daniel Vetter
2015-06-22 20:14                     ` Chris Wilson
2015-06-18 16:36         ` 3.16 backlight kernel options Stéphane ANCELOT
2015-05-29 16:43 ` [PATCH 26/55] drm/i915: Update overlay code to do explicit request management John.C.Harrison
2015-05-29 16:43 ` [PATCH 27/55] drm/i915: Update queue_flip() to take a request structure John.C.Harrison
2015-05-29 16:43 ` [PATCH 28/55] drm/i915: Update add_request() " John.C.Harrison
2015-05-29 16:43 ` [PATCH 29/55] drm/i915: Update [vma|object]_move_to_active() to take request structures John.C.Harrison
2015-05-29 16:43 ` [PATCH 30/55] drm/i915: Update l3_remap to take a request structure John.C.Harrison
2015-05-29 16:43 ` [PATCH 31/55] drm/i915: Update mi_set_context() " John.C.Harrison
2015-05-29 16:43 ` [PATCH 32/55] drm/i915: Update a bunch of execbuffer helpers to take request structures John.C.Harrison
2015-05-29 16:43 ` [PATCH 33/55] drm/i915: Update workarounds_emit() " John.C.Harrison
2015-05-29 16:43 ` [PATCH 34/55] drm/i915: Update flush_all_caches() " John.C.Harrison
2015-05-29 16:43 ` [PATCH 35/55] drm/i915: Update switch_mm() to take a request structure John.C.Harrison
2015-05-29 16:43 ` [PATCH 36/55] drm/i915: Update ring->flush() to take a requests structure John.C.Harrison
2015-05-29 16:43 ` [PATCH 37/55] drm/i915: Update some flush helpers to take request structures John.C.Harrison
2015-05-29 16:43 ` [PATCH 38/55] drm/i915: Update ring->emit_flush() to take a request structure John.C.Harrison
2015-05-29 16:44 ` [PATCH 39/55] drm/i915: Update ring->add_request() " John.C.Harrison
2015-05-29 16:44 ` [PATCH 40/55] drm/i915: Update ring->emit_request() " John.C.Harrison
2015-05-29 16:44 ` [PATCH 41/55] drm/i915: Update ring->dispatch_execbuffer() " John.C.Harrison
2015-05-29 16:44 ` [PATCH 42/55] drm/i915: Update ring->emit_bb_start() " John.C.Harrison
2015-05-29 16:44 ` [PATCH 43/55] drm/i915: Update ring->sync_to() " John.C.Harrison
2015-05-29 16:44 ` [PATCH 44/55] drm/i915: Update ring->signal() " John.C.Harrison
2015-05-29 16:44 ` [PATCH 45/55] drm/i915: Update cacheline_align() " John.C.Harrison
2015-05-29 16:44 ` [PATCH 46/55] drm/i915: Update intel_ring_begin() " John.C.Harrison
2015-06-23 10:24   ` Chris Wilson
2015-06-23 10:37     ` John Harrison
2015-06-23 13:25       ` Daniel Vetter
2015-06-23 15:27         ` John Harrison
2015-06-23 15:34           ` Daniel Vetter
2015-05-29 16:44 ` [PATCH 47/55] drm/i915: Update intel_logical_ring_begin() " John.C.Harrison
2015-05-29 16:44 ` [PATCH 48/55] drm/i915: Add *_ring_begin() to request allocation John.C.Harrison
2015-06-17 13:31   ` Daniel Vetter
2015-06-17 14:27     ` Chris Wilson
2015-06-17 14:54       ` Daniel Vetter
2015-06-17 15:52         ` Chris Wilson
2015-06-18 11:21           ` John Harrison [this message]
2015-06-18 13:29             ` Daniel Vetter
2015-06-19 16:34               ` John Harrison
2015-05-29 16:44 ` [PATCH 49/55] drm/i915: Remove the now obsolete intel_ring_get_request() John.C.Harrison
2015-05-29 16:44 ` [PATCH 50/55] drm/i915: Remove the now obsolete 'outstanding_lazy_request' John.C.Harrison
2015-05-29 16:44 ` [PATCH 51/55] drm/i915: Move the request/file and request/pid association to creation time John.C.Harrison
2015-06-03 11:15   ` Tomas Elf
2015-05-29 16:44 ` [PATCH 52/55] drm/i915: Remove 'faked' request from LRC submission John.C.Harrison
2015-05-29 16:44 ` [PATCH 53/55] drm/i915: Update a bunch of LRC functions to take requests John.C.Harrison
2015-05-29 16:44 ` [PATCH 54/55] drm/i915: Remove the now obsolete 'i915_gem_check_olr()' John.C.Harrison
2015-06-02 18:27   ` Tomas Elf
2015-06-23 10:23   ` Chris Wilson
2015-06-23 10:39     ` John Harrison
2015-05-29 16:44 ` [PATCH 55/55] drm/i915: Rename the somewhat reduced i915_gem_object_flush_active() John.C.Harrison
2015-06-02 18:27   ` Tomas Elf
2015-06-17 14:06   ` Daniel Vetter
2015-06-17 14:21     ` Chris Wilson
2015-06-18 11:03       ` John Harrison
2015-06-18 11:10         ` Chris Wilson
2015-06-18 11:27           ` John Harrison
2015-06-18 10:57     ` John Harrison
2015-06-04 18:23 ` [PATCH 14/56] drm/i915: Make retire condition check for requests not objects John.C.Harrison
2015-06-04 18:24   ` John Harrison
2015-06-09 15:56   ` Tomas Elf
2015-06-17 15:01     ` Daniel Vetter
2015-06-22 21:04 ` [PATCH 00/55] Remove the outstanding_lazy_request Daniel Vetter

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