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<613fe50d-fc9c-6282-f1f3-34653acb2ee9@leemhuis.info> <62b60247-7838-a624-706e-b1a54785b2a5@leemhuis.info> <54aeb1f7-ffc7-74e1-a731-8970d44ff852@leemhuis.info> From: Thorsten Leemhuis Message-ID: <5a26cdba-eff9-8a5c-fda1-3f8d14b49868@leemhuis.info> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 19:51:05 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US X-bounce-key: webpack.hosteurope.de;linux@leemhuis.info;1616525470;104973e5; X-HE-SMSGID: 1lOm7N-00052g-VX Cc: ksummit , Greg KH , Linux Kernel Mailing List , workflows@vger.kernel.org, Konstantin Ryabitsev Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] RFC: create mailing list "linux-issues" focussed on issues/bugs and regressions X-BeenThere: ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 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Thorsten Leemhuis Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] RFC: create mailing list "linux-issues" focussed on issues/bugs and regressions Message-ID: <5a26cdba-eff9-8a5c-fda1-3f8d14b49868@leemhuis.info> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 19:51:05 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-bounce-key: webpack.hosteurope.de;linux@leemhuis.info;1616525473;2c98399b; X-HE-SMSGID: 1lOm7N-00052g-VX Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On 23.03.21 19:11, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > On Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 09:57:57AM +0100, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: >> On 22.03.21 22:56, Theodore Ts'o wrote: >>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 08:25:15PM +0100, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: >>>> I agree to the last point and yeah, maybe regressions are the more >>>> important problem we should work on – at least from the perspective of >>>> kernel development. But from the users perspective (and >>>> reporting-issues.rst is written for that perspective) it feel a bit >>>> unsatisfying to not have a solution to query for existing report, >>>> regressions or not. Hmmmm... >>> First of all, thanks for working on reporting-issues.rst. >> Thx, very glad to hear that. I didn't get much feedback on it, which >> made me wonder if anybody besides docs folks actually looked at it... > I'll admit that I had missed your initial submission, No wonder with all the lists and mails. :-D That's actually why I wanted to point to the text on ksummit-list once in the near future after two remaining issues with the text were solved (see below), but before removing the "WIP" box at the top and deleting reporting-bugs.rst. > but having > looked at it, while I could imagine some nits where it could be > improved, Yeah, for sure, with such a text that will always be the case. And I really would like if a few more people take a closer look and provide feedback, that really helps to get such a text in shape. I have stared so much at the text in recent months, that makes it quite easy to miss typos and errors in the logical flow that a fresh pair of eyes will immediately spot... > in my opinion, it's strictly better than the older > reporting-bugs doc. Great, thx. >> Hmmm, yeah, I like that idea. I'll keep it in mind for later: I would >> prefer to get reporting-issues.rst officially blessed and >> reporting-bugs.rst gone before working on further enhancements. > Is there anyone following this thread who believes that there is > anything we should change *before* oficially blessing > reporting-issues.rst? Given that Konstantin has already linked to > reporting-issues from the front page of kernel.bugzilla.org, I think > we we should just go ahead and officially bless it and be done with > it. :-) FWIW, here is my current todo list from the top of my head: * get this patchset reviewed and applied: https://lore.kernel.org/linux-doc/cover.1616181657.git.linux@leemhuis.info/ * *afterwards* make sure Greg and/or Sasha (now CCed) check the text from their point of view (above patchset changes quite a few things in that area, that's why it needs to be applied first) * get feedback reg. the two FIXME boxes remaining afterwards. One is about bugzilla (```The old text took a totally different approach to bugzilla.kernel.org...```), the other about CCing LKML (```Above section tells users to always CC LKML […] Should we create mailing list like linux-issues@vger.kernel.org```). But I guess the approach taken should be fine for most people, so we could simply remove them. We can still change things later anyway, I just put those boxes there to highlight these differences to the old approach. * remove the note at the top (```This document is being prepared to replace 'Reporting bugs...``` and delete reporting-bugs.rst > Once it is blessed, I'd also suggest putting a link to > https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/admin-guide/reporting-issues.html > as an "other resources" at https://www.kernel.org. +1 Ciao, Thorsten