From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5214A9F2 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 07:03:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ob0-f194.google.com (mail-ob0-f194.google.com [209.85.214.194]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 271A0AA for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 07:03:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obbha12 with SMTP id ha12so38773obb.3 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 00:03:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: geert.uytterhoeven@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <20150713210226.519dedfd@gandalf.local.home> References: <55A1407E.5080800@oracle.com> <55A26C5B.8060007@oracle.com> <20150713105210.6e367f4b@noble> <55A33E48.2040202@oracle.com> <20150713142132.08fead4d@gandalf.local.home> <55A45AD8.5010400@oracle.com> <20150713210226.519dedfd@gandalf.local.home> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 09:03:15 +0200 Message-ID: From: Geert Uytterhoeven To: Steven Rostedt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: Sasha Levin , "ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org" Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [CORE TOPIC] Issues with stable process List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 3:02 AM, Steven Rostedt wrote: > On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 20:42:00 -0400 > Sasha Levin wrote: >> > I disagree. I thought next was a place to have integration of new >> > development, and not just a place to test. Really, how many people test >> > next compared to Linus's tree? I trip over bugs all the times in >> > Linus's tree that's been in -next for almost a whole release cycle. >> >> I didn't say that it's not for integration, I just said that with the >> recent increase in testing by various people/organizations the focus >> seems to be shifting to catching things in -next before they get into >> Linus's tree. > > Yes, it's great if we can catch things in -next. But I don't believe > that patches that fix bugs found in Linus's tree should sit in next > before going into Linus's tree, because those patches are basically > fixing stuff that was already in next and wasn't discovered until it > hit Linus's tree. Which is why I say it's a waste of time to put it in > next before sending straight to Linus. Worse, sometimes issues were detected in -next, but the problematic commits still migrated to Linus' tree, despite the detection (and sometimes even despite the availability of a fix for several weeks). I'm not aware of any of these having migrated to -stable too, but I guess it might happen. Gr{oetje,eeting}s, Geert -- Geert Uytterhoeven -- There's lots of Linux beyond ia32 -- geert@linux-m68k.org In personal conversations with technical people, I call myself a hacker. But when I'm talking to journalists I just say "programmer" or something like that. -- Linus Torvalds