From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mail-ed1-f45.google.com (mail-ed1-f45.google.com [209.85.208.45]) by mx.groups.io with SMTP id smtpd.web08.5491.1621499535053621410 for ; Thu, 20 May 2021 01:32:15 -0700 Authentication-Results: mx.groups.io; dkim=pass header.i=@linaro.org header.s=google header.b=QhF8WmnD; spf=pass (domain: linaro.org, ip: 209.85.208.45, mailfrom: nicolas.dechesne@linaro.org) Received: by mail-ed1-f45.google.com with SMTP id w12so10652381edx.1 for ; Thu, 20 May 2021 01:32:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=linaro.org; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Di0RMwJCFtNf9Xl376bqu8q9TWH9RXTxI/gi4HYqWiI=; b=QhF8WmnDbLcjhZDAHaC3IDVLxIZIHa473XtsgAZEUyWEPjICR3NdAD78aF5hoYw8wi s8qcGPtPkjLMiMv17GYLkY1wkD56O59xOt/kNpsVvKzgxoy0b4GEJ1c4JnRrQUbydaPk KKOE29GoJDnOnhgwSFO9hAqPuevz8qRDRMACBrStDGzuESRNLokLNjlxaA7U3a7UY+Vk i6nrpF5ioObTffL24clhuPbKyQGsgbAFPjbm5CaUtehoGVYylsetI2oXfaTWO9iXxo4L Ay8ngEZqvzZXaNlICJ2ScgcpE/zKLrS5X+mwCTz5Auzs+eIYwAT1Isnm9cA4hE1emR2W YgEg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Di0RMwJCFtNf9Xl376bqu8q9TWH9RXTxI/gi4HYqWiI=; b=JswFG2ZumSMOTnQ7r7pMlJOGaiZrJI+2Fu15NwBPPXIhbVafl6GBdiK2IYOcGfodpV qMpKyZS1/Ls0HAnUK9wg7r380EXkV/GVVDnfaq1Gefuim3HTUPYvFN8qW1WhAWAeVwIX 85iT30sbtny36VjtNPquTG9D7GtQfzRxPneHisL6L9FSrGFJvaQXXLYDVb20QF3Yjbj1 jYCTmCGXFsIZ2ifrdDnq2zQ/KlYQWetEd5XNyDowl5uyl5gzA/eAgAD+74zeLavIUDt9 yCaA9PhYhmVbbQM1h1/nQeuLwNWy6RZU9tQzFyrx+TLmwbESVrpUmFNe+UWe+41wu2uh s9bg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5337g1c5loAlIE5TYqFKToxrgYV7GgB5qL3dwTPC9d8Ncnp3dXKa qLjt7NhZlW7rg2sUE/lqVXn8atQfGEsFeeYGIJCZKQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzhJ+IfwLUc1y9r61S/QqsO4kiyFrjD4zWqkYswEiOyLLLZnV9QIr/X/vJaD7JW6vQkY9A/SwSOOq/4kGTdR0E= X-Received: by 2002:a50:c44f:: with SMTP id w15mr3749638edf.79.1621499533506; Thu, 20 May 2021 01:32:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20210520081639.ybcnadwxsjvdgsme@qschulz> In-Reply-To: <20210520081639.ybcnadwxsjvdgsme@qschulz> From: "Nicolas Dechesne" Date: Thu, 20 May 2021 10:32:02 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [yocto] hostile freenode takeover To: Quentin Schulz Cc: Khem Raj , Jasper Orschulko , "yocto@lists.yoctoproject.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000b2d4e205c2bec72d" --000000000000b2d4e205c2bec72d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 10:16 AM Quentin Schulz < quentin.schulz@streamunlimited.com> wrote: > Hi Khem, all, > > On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 10:09:12AM -0700, Khem Raj wrote: > > On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 9:56 AM Nicolas Dechesne > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 6:49 PM Jasper Orschulko < > Jasper.Orschulko@iris-sensing.com> wrote: > > >> > > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > >> Hash: SHA256 > > >> > > >> Dear all, > > >> > > >> there have been recent reports of a hostile takeover of the freenode > > >> service, as described in > > >> https://gist.github.com/joepie91/df80d8d36cd9d1bde46ba018af497409 > > >> > > >> The Yocto Project should verify these reports and take the necessary > > >> actions, in order to protect its users. > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your email. We are aware, and have started to look into > that. > > > > > > It looks like some open source communities have started to move to > https://www.oftc.net/ or https://libera.chat/.. If anyone wants to bring > any insights or recommendations... feel free! > > > > perhaps good time to consider matrix > > > > I disagree. Matrix just does not work. I've been using with a few > friends with mixed homeservers, chat.privacytools.io, matrix.org, > converser.eu and self-hosted homeservers... I've sometimes not received > tens of messages in a row, usually for a duration of at least 15 mins > and there's obviously no indication whatsoever that I didn't receive > messages except that the discussion does not make sense at all. And this > happened to three other people on the room, each on a different homeserve= r > than the other, so not a PEBKAC :) Sometimes there are delays for > messages too (I've seen 30min delays), so the whole context is lost. > > For a federated chat solution, that's really a bummer that its main > feature is just so buggy it's unusable. > > If YP is ok with potentially not receiving questions or having people > ask questions and not receive answers, then fine by me :) > > I'm probably among the small (?) minority of people experiencing those > issues but that's not a bet I'd take with my projects. > > My 2=C2=A2. > I think the question of setting up Matrix for our community is a valid question, though I think it's orthogonal to the current problem. If freenode goes away , we need an alternate plan to move *right away* to another IRC server. If we want to setup addition communications means (such as Matrix or anything else) that needs to be discussed and it might take more time. > > Cheers, > Quentin > --000000000000b2d4e205c2bec72d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 10:16 AM Quen= tin Schulz <quenti= n.schulz@streamunlimited.com> wrote:
Hi Khem, all,

On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 10:09:12AM -0700, Khem Raj wrote:
> On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 9:56 AM Nicolas Dechesne
> <n= icolas.dechesne@linaro.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 6:49 PM Jasper Orschulko <Jasper.Orschulko= @iris-sensing.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> >> Hash: SHA256
> >>
> >> Dear all,
> >>
> >> there have been recent reports of a hostile takeover of the f= reenode
> >> service, as described in
> >> https://gist.github.c= om/joepie91/df80d8d36cd9d1bde46ba018af497409
> >>
> >> The Yocto Project should verify these reports and take the ne= cessary
> >> actions, in order to protect its users.
> >
> >
> > Thanks for your email. We are aware, and have started to look int= o that.
> >
> > It looks like some open source communities have started to move t= o ht= tps://www.oftc.net/ or https://libera.chat/.. If anyone wants to bring a= ny insights or recommendations... feel free!
>
> perhaps good time to consider matrix
>

I disagree. Matrix just does not work. I've been using with a few
friends with mixed homeservers, chat.privacytools.io, matrix.org,
conver= ser.eu and self-hosted homeservers... I've sometimes not received tens of messages in a row, usually for a duration of at least 15 mins
and there's obviously no indication whatsoever that I didn't receiv= e
messages except that the discussion does not make sense at all. And this happened to three other people on the room, each on a different homeserver<= br> than the other, so not a PEBKAC :) Sometimes there are delays for
messages too (I've seen 30min delays), so the whole context is lost.
For a federated chat solution, that's really a bummer that its main
feature is just so buggy it's unusable.

If YP is ok with potentially not receiving questions or having people
ask questions and not receive answers, then fine by me :)

I'm probably among the small (?) minority of people experiencing those<= br> issues but that's not a bet I'd take with my projects.

My 2=C2=A2.

I think the question of set= ting up Matrix for our community is a valid question, though I think it'= ;s orthogonal to the current problem. If freenode goes away , we need an al= ternate plan to move *right away* to another IRC server. If we want to setu= p=C2=A0addition communications means (such as Matrix or anything else) that= needs to be discussed and it might take more time.=C2=A0
=C2=A0<= /div>

Cheers,
Quentin
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