From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Tomasz Figa <tomasz.figa@gmail.com>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Cc: Roland Dreier <roland@kernel.org>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>,
ksummit@lists.linux.dev
Subject: Re: [MAINTAINER SUMMIT] Rethinking the acceptance policy for "trivial" patches
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 00:06:20 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1E8D531-E9B8-4300-9CA9-E4F30A99797E@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+Ln22HgpDk5=k7PhhVDdS5UZFZ7MMwTznXs-weqrmXzWYX8Cg@mail.gmail.com>
And *that* is the fundamental problem here.
Pen testing without permission is at best unethical, and often illegal.
On April 21, 2021 11:28:25 PM PDT, Tomasz Figa <tomasz.figa@gmail.com> wrote:
>2021年4月22日(木) 15:01 Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>:
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 21, 2021 at 12:32:33PM -0700, Roland Dreier wrote:
>> > I also think there does need to be a strong sanction against this
>UMN
>> > research group, since we need to make sure there are strong
>incentives
>> > against wasting everyone's time with stunts like this. Hopefully
>on
>> > the academic side it can be made clear that this is not ethical
>> > research - for example, why did IEEE think this was an acceptable
>> > paper?
>>
>> I wholeheartedly disagree. Demonstrating this kind of "attack" has
>> been long overdue, and kicked off a very important discussion. Even
>> more so as in this area malice is almost indistinguishable from
>normal
>> incompetence. I think they deserve a medel of honor.
>>
>
>Agreed with Christoph. We are talking here about a critical piece of
>the software that is the foundation of security of the whole system.
>That we have a problem with the volume of reviews has been a topic on
>various conferences since years and my experience is that it hasn't
>really improved. As a part of my Chromium work, I often find upstream
>code with issues that make me really concerned about the quality of
>the review it received. Not saying it applies to all subsystems of
>course, but not limited to single special cases either.
>
>That said, I think UMN should have done this in a more ethical way.
>For example, someone from the kernel community could have been
>involved as a supervisor, to prevent things from running out of
>control and ending up as real exploits and also to facilitate a
>clean-up after the experiment ends. Also the fact that they are
>denying this now is concerning.
>
>Best regards,
>Tomasz
--
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-04-22 7:38 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 156+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-04-21 18:35 [MAINTAINER SUMMIT] Rethinking the acceptance policy for "trivial" patches James Bottomley
2021-04-21 18:46 ` Christian Borntraeger
2021-04-21 18:51 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2021-04-21 18:53 ` Christian Borntraeger
2021-04-21 19:06 ` Al Viro
2021-04-21 19:14 ` James Bottomley
2021-04-21 19:22 ` Steven Rostedt
2021-04-21 19:26 ` Kees Cook
2021-04-21 19:32 ` Roland Dreier
2021-04-21 19:55 ` Julia Lawall
2021-04-21 20:28 ` Stephen Hemminger
2021-04-21 20:37 ` Julia Lawall
2021-04-21 20:45 ` Steven Rostedt
2021-04-21 20:50 ` Julia Lawall
2021-04-21 21:03 ` Jiri Kosina
2021-04-21 21:37 ` James Morris
2021-04-22 7:34 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2021-04-22 7:51 ` Mike Rapoport
2021-04-22 8:45 ` Christian Brauner
2021-04-22 15:27 ` Steven Rostedt
2021-04-22 9:39 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-04-22 9:55 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-04-22 12:01 ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-04-22 12:26 ` Mark Brown
2021-04-22 12:35 ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-04-22 12:52 ` Hans Verkuil
2021-04-22 13:33 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-04-22 13:42 ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-04-22 12:18 ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-04-22 15:38 ` Shuah Khan
2021-04-23 9:06 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-04-23 17:17 ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-04-23 22:41 ` Shuah Khan
2021-04-22 5:59 ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-04-22 6:28 ` Tomasz Figa
2021-04-22 7:05 ` Al Viro
2021-04-22 7:46 ` Al Viro
2021-04-22 7:06 ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2021-04-22 7:05 ` Jiri Kosina
2021-04-22 16:05 ` Roland Dreier
2021-04-22 16:24 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2021-04-22 18:03 ` Al Viro
2021-04-22 22:35 ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-04-22 22:53 ` Laurent Pinchart
2021-07-20 16:26 ` Kernel sustainability (was Re: [MAINTAINER SUMMIT] Rethinking the acceptance policy for "trivial" patches) Daniel Vetter
2021-04-21 19:30 ` [MAINTAINER SUMMIT] Rethinking the acceptance policy for "trivial" patches Jiri Kosina
2021-04-21 20:28 ` Jiri Kosina
2021-04-21 22:18 ` Shuah Khan
2021-04-21 23:17 ` Guenter Roeck
2021-04-21 23:21 ` Shuah Khan
2021-04-21 19:47 ` Dan Carpenter
2021-04-22 9:34 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-04-22 9:59 ` Johannes Berg
2021-04-22 10:52 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-04-22 12:16 ` Mike Rapoport
2021-04-22 13:41 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-04-22 20:15 ` Alexandre Belloni
2021-04-23 0:09 ` Randy Dunlap
2021-04-21 19:49 ` Alexandre Belloni
2021-04-22 2:05 ` Martin K. Petersen
2021-04-22 3:04 ` Joe Perches
2021-04-22 10:13 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-04-22 12:07 ` Mark Brown
2021-04-22 16:42 ` Bart Van Assche
2021-04-22 17:58 ` Jiri Kosina
2021-04-22 4:21 ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-04-22 4:56 ` Al Viro
2021-04-22 5:52 ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-04-22 6:05 ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-04-22 6:03 ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-04-22 6:18 ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-04-22 9:20 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-04-22 11:34 ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-04-22 13:22 ` Mark Brown
2021-04-22 13:47 ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-04-22 13:51 ` Mark Brown
2021-04-22 14:12 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-04-22 14:51 ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-04-22 13:29 ` Steven Rostedt
2021-04-22 13:58 ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-04-22 14:20 ` Rob Herring
2021-04-23 6:04 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-04-23 6:46 ` Joe Perches
2021-04-23 7:13 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-04-23 7:20 ` [PATCH RFC] scripts: add a script for sending patches Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-04-23 7:20 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-04-23 14:52 ` Better tools for sending patches (was: Re: [MAINTAINER SUMMIT] Rethinking the acceptance policy for "trivial" patches) Doug Anderson
2021-04-23 16:03 ` Mark Brown
2021-04-23 17:12 ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-04-26 23:50 ` Simon Glass
2021-04-22 12:53 ` [MAINTAINER SUMMIT] Rethinking the acceptance policy for "trivial" patches Konstantin Ryabitsev
2021-04-22 13:08 ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-04-22 13:27 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2021-04-22 13:41 ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-04-22 16:28 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2021-04-22 17:56 ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-04-22 18:05 ` backfilling threads with b4 (was: Re: [MAINTAINER SUMMIT] Rethinking the acceptance policy for "trivial" patches) Konstantin Ryabitsev
2021-04-22 18:51 ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-04-25 10:58 ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-04-23 7:19 ` [MAINTAINER SUMMIT] Rethinking the acceptance policy for "trivial" patches Greg KH
2021-04-23 7:31 ` Christian Brauner
2021-04-23 18:50 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2021-04-22 12:40 ` Mark Brown
2021-04-22 12:54 ` Mike Rapoport
2021-04-22 13:23 ` Mark Brown
2021-04-22 15:19 ` Steven Rostedt
2021-04-22 21:19 ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-04-22 21:36 ` Steven Rostedt
2021-04-22 22:39 ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-04-23 0:26 ` Joe Perches
2021-04-23 6:15 ` Greg KH
2021-04-23 6:50 ` Dan Williams
2021-04-23 7:13 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2021-04-23 14:41 ` Shuah Khan
2021-04-23 9:12 ` Michal Hocko
2021-04-22 14:51 ` Laurent Pinchart
2021-04-22 15:14 ` Mike Rapoport
2021-04-22 15:17 ` Laurent Pinchart
2021-04-22 15:35 ` Al Viro
2021-04-22 15:32 ` Shuah Khan
2021-04-22 10:35 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-04-22 11:03 ` Sudip Mukherjee
2021-04-22 14:00 ` Steven Rostedt
2021-04-22 14:07 ` Jiri Kosina
2021-04-22 15:31 ` Sudip Mukherjee
2021-04-22 21:33 ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-04-22 20:28 ` Andrew Morton
2021-04-22 20:46 ` Steven Rostedt
2021-04-22 12:32 ` Martin K. Petersen
2021-04-22 15:11 ` Laurent Pinchart
2021-04-22 15:28 ` James Bottomley
2021-04-22 15:35 ` Johannes Berg
2021-04-22 15:36 ` Mark Brown
2021-04-22 15:40 ` James Bottomley
2021-04-23 9:27 ` Dan Carpenter
2021-04-22 13:24 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2021-04-22 14:31 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-04-22 15:34 ` Shuah Khan
2021-04-22 15:42 ` James Bottomley
2021-04-22 15:48 ` James Bottomley
2021-04-22 15:52 ` Steven Rostedt
2021-04-22 16:08 ` Shuah Khan
2021-04-22 16:13 ` Jan Kara
2021-04-22 17:04 ` Steven Rostedt
2021-04-22 17:08 ` Martin K. Petersen
2021-04-23 11:16 ` Jan Kara
2021-04-23 12:57 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-04-23 7:58 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-04-23 10:54 ` Greg KH
2021-04-23 17:09 ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-04-22 16:23 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2021-04-22 16:38 ` Bart Van Assche
2021-04-22 16:57 ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-04-22 18:03 ` Jiri Kosina
2021-04-22 21:26 ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-04-22 21:36 ` Jiri Kosina
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