From: Derrick Stolee <stolee@gmail.com>
To: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>,
Emily Shaffer <emilyshaffer@google.com>
Cc: Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget <gitgitgadget@gmail.com>,
git@vger.kernel.org, sandals@crustytoothpaste.net,
jrnieder@gmail.com, Derrick Stolee <derrickstolee@github.com>,
Derrick Stolee <dstolee@microsoft.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/4] CodingGuidelines: recommend singular they
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2021 09:27:46 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <a7419df4-38f3-70aa-ccae-12b42a80e422@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <xmqqa6nzlk8y.fsf@gitster.g>
On 6/9/2021 12:44 AM, Junio C Hamano wrote:
> Emily Shaffer <emilyshaffer@google.com> writes:
>
>> On Mon, Jun 07, 2021 at 04:57:48PM +0000, Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget wrote:
...
>>> +
>>> + When referring to an anonymous user, use singular "they/them" pronouns
>>> + as opposed to choosing between "he/him" and "she/her". Do not use more
>>> + complicated constructs such as "he or she" or "s/he". This recommendation
>>> + also applies to code comments and commit messages.
>
> I am not sure if this "here is the rule and you will follow it" is
> helpful without hinting what the rule is trying to achieve. It is
> more so that the four-bullet-point list in the proposed log message
> that says when not to blindly apply the singular they rule will not
> be seen by intended readers---we who are reviewing this change in
> the patch form may understand and embrace it, but the readers have
> less than we have to go with.
I went to far trying to be brief in CodingGuidelines in favor of a
long commit message (that can be blamed). But you're right. "Start
with why" is a good strategy.
> Perhaps start the whole paragraph a bit differently, like this?
>
> Refer to an anonymous user in a gender neutral way. Use
> singular "they/them" pronouns as opposed to ...
>
> The added single phase will be a sufficient clue to readers that
> this is about inclusion, and will tell readers that singular they is
> not a hard and fast rule but one of the suggested ways to achieve
> that goal. To be even clearer, we may probably want to add "One way
> to do so is to" before the second sentence.
That's a good idea.
The other thing I have added is to recommend changing the sentence
to use different nouns so that singular "you" or plural "they" are
appropriate.
Thanks,
-Stolee
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-06-09 13:29 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 124+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-06-07 16:57 [PATCH 0/4] Use singular "they" when appropriate Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-06-07 16:57 ` [PATCH 1/4] Documentation: use singular they " Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-06-07 17:09 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-06-07 17:32 ` Derrick Stolee
2021-06-07 17:42 ` Andrei Rybak
2021-06-07 18:21 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-06-10 7:44 ` Johannes Schindelin
2021-06-10 14:35 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-07 21:36 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-09 18:47 ` Phillip Susi
2021-06-09 20:26 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-11 15:40 ` Phillip Susi
2021-06-11 17:03 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-10 18:30 ` Derrick Stolee
2021-06-11 0:16 ` Junio C Hamano
2021-06-11 16:00 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-12 14:02 ` Phillip Susi
2021-06-08 1:18 ` Junio C Hamano
2021-06-08 8:51 ` Kerry, Richard
2021-06-08 23:21 ` Junio C Hamano
2021-06-09 13:13 ` Derrick Stolee
2021-06-10 3:11 ` Junio C Hamano
2021-06-08 17:33 ` Emily Shaffer
2021-06-08 18:03 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-09 13:44 ` Kerry, Richard
2021-06-09 17:44 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-25 14:30 ` Kerry, Richard
2021-06-09 4:48 ` Junio C Hamano
2021-06-10 8:18 ` Johannes Schindelin
2021-06-10 14:42 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-14 22:10 ` Robert Karszniewicz
2021-06-07 16:57 ` [PATCH 2/4] *: use singular they in comments Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-06-07 17:12 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-06-07 17:20 ` Derrick Stolee
2021-06-10 8:20 ` Johannes Schindelin
2021-06-07 19:02 ` Junio C Hamano
2021-06-07 21:44 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-08 17:36 ` Emily Shaffer
2021-06-07 16:57 ` [PATCH 3/4] *: fix typos Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-06-08 17:37 ` Emily Shaffer
2021-06-10 8:36 ` Johannes Schindelin
2021-06-10 19:53 ` Derrick Stolee
2021-06-11 9:55 ` Johannes Schindelin
2021-06-07 16:57 ` [PATCH 4/4] CodingGuidelines: recommend singular they Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-06-07 18:31 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-06-08 1:47 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-07 18:56 ` Junio C Hamano
2021-06-07 19:05 ` Derrick Stolee
2021-06-08 0:05 ` Junio C Hamano
2021-06-10 21:34 ` brian m. carlson
2021-06-10 8:39 ` Johannes Schindelin
2021-06-07 20:00 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-09 18:29 ` Phillip Susi
2021-06-09 20:18 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-07 20:20 ` Robert Karszniewicz
2021-06-07 22:18 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-08 7:10 ` Jeff King
2021-06-08 8:11 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-09 13:23 ` Derrick Stolee
2021-06-09 15:20 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-10 22:06 ` brian m. carlson
2021-06-11 16:11 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-08 17:39 ` Emily Shaffer
2021-06-09 4:44 ` Junio C Hamano
2021-06-09 13:27 ` Derrick Stolee [this message]
2021-06-07 20:10 ` [PATCH 0/4] Use singular "they" when appropriate Felipe Contreras
2021-06-09 13:54 ` [PATCH v2 " Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-06-09 13:54 ` [PATCH v2 1/4] Documentation: use singular they " Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-06-09 15:33 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-09 13:54 ` [PATCH v2 2/4] *: use singular they in comments Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-06-09 15:41 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-09 13:54 ` [PATCH v2 3/4] *: fix typos Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-06-09 13:54 ` [PATCH v2 4/4] CodingGuidelines: recommend singular they Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-06-09 15:50 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-09 15:44 ` [PATCH v2 0/4] Use singular "they" when appropriate Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-06-09 17:22 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-10 2:03 ` Junio C Hamano
2021-06-10 2:28 ` Junio C Hamano
2021-06-10 3:30 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-10 22:32 ` brian m. carlson
2021-06-10 22:58 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-06-11 16:32 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-11 17:18 ` Derrick Stolee
2021-06-11 20:38 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-13 7:17 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-06-15 6:02 ` Junio C Hamano
2021-06-15 13:36 ` Derrick Stolee
2021-06-15 17:03 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-14 0:47 ` Junio C Hamano
2021-06-15 14:11 ` [PATCH v3 0/4] Avoid gendered pronouns Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-06-15 14:11 ` [PATCH v3 1/4] doc: avoid using the gender of other people Felipe Contreras via GitGitGadget
2021-06-15 14:11 ` [PATCH v3 2/4] comments: avoid using the gender of our users Felipe Contreras via GitGitGadget
2021-06-15 14:11 ` [PATCH v3 3/4] *: fix typos Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-06-15 14:11 ` [PATCH v3 4/4] CodingGuidelines: recommend singular they Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-06-15 16:19 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-06-15 17:26 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-16 2:47 ` Junio C Hamano
2021-06-16 5:06 ` Junio C Hamano
2021-06-16 9:26 ` Bagas Sanjaya
2021-06-16 17:44 ` Derrick Stolee
2021-06-16 19:54 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-06-16 23:22 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-17 0:09 ` Junio C Hamano
2021-06-17 13:22 ` Derrick Stolee
2021-06-17 14:53 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-06-17 17:06 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-17 15:25 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-18 0:26 ` brian m. carlson
2021-06-18 16:12 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-17 15:23 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-17 15:58 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-06-18 0:53 ` brian m. carlson
2021-06-18 7:24 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-06-18 16:40 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-19 7:03 ` Junio C Hamano
2021-06-28 22:32 ` Junio C Hamano
2021-06-29 1:31 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-29 1:53 ` Derrick Stolee
2021-06-29 12:29 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-06-17 15:12 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-17 14:46 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-15 17:08 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-12 4:40 ` [PATCH 0/4] Use singular "they" when appropriate Bagas Sanjaya
2021-06-12 14:19 ` Phillip Susi
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