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[86.7.189.148]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h9sm20117820wmb.35.2021.05.10.07.33.47 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 10 May 2021 07:33:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/53] Get rid of UTF-8 chars that can be mapped as ASCII To: Matthew Wilcox Cc: Mauro Carvalho Chehab , David Woodhouse , Linux Doc Mailing List , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Jonathan Corbet , alsa-devel@alsa-project.org, coresight@lists.linaro.org, dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org, intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org, intel-wired-lan@lists.osuosl.org, keyrings@vger.kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linux-edac@vger.kernel.org, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-fpga@vger.kernel.org, linux-hwmon@vger.kernel.org, linux-iio@vger.kernel.org, linux-input@vger.kernel.org, linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org, linux-media@vger.kernel.org, linux-pci@vger.kernel.org, linux-pm@vger.kernel.org, linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org, linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org, linux-sgx@vger.kernel.org, linux-usb@vger.kernel.org, mjpeg-users@lists.sourceforge.net, netdev@vger.kernel.org, rcu@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org References: <2ae366fdff4bd5910a2270823e8da70521c859af.camel@infradead.org> <20210510135518.305cc03d@coco.lan> From: Edward Cree Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 May 2021 15:33:47 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-GB X-CRM114-Version: 20100106-BlameMichelson ( TRE 0.8.0 (BSD) ) MR-646709E3 X-CRM114-CacheID: sfid-20210510_073351_423678_92D27A7E X-CRM114-Status: GOOD ( 16.43 ) X-BeenThere: linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: "linux-riscv" Errors-To: linux-riscv-bounces+linux-riscv=archiver.kernel.org@lists.infradead.org On 10/05/2021 14:59, Matthew Wilcox wrote: > Most of these > UTF-8 characters come from latex conversions and really aren't > necessary (and are being used incorrectly). I fully agree with fixing those. The cover-letter, however, gave the impression that that was not the main purpose of this series; just, perhaps, a happy side-effect. > You seem quite knowedgeable about the various differences. Perhaps > you'd be willing to write a document for Documentation/doc-guide/ > that provides guidance for when to use which kinds of horizontal > line?I have Opinions about the proper usage of punctuation, but I also know that other people have differing opinions. For instance, I place spaces around an em dash, which is nonstandard according to most style guides. Really this is an individual enough thing that I'm not sure we could have a "kernel style guide" that would be more useful than general-purpose guidance like the page you linked. Moreover, such a guide could make non-native speakers needlessly self- conscious about their writing and discourage them from contributing documentation at all. I'm not advocating here for trying to push kernel developers towards an eats-shoots-and-leaves level of linguistic pedantry; rather, I merely think that existing correct usages should be left intact (and therefore, excising incorrect usage should only be attempted by someone with both the expertise and time to check each case). But if you really want such a doc I wouldn't mind contributing to it. -ed _______________________________________________ linux-riscv mailing list linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-riscv From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,NICE_REPLY_A,SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS,USER_AGENT_SANE_1 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAD69C433ED for ; Mon, 10 May 2021 14:35:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from desiato.infradead.org (desiato.infradead.org [90.155.92.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 38FBC613C2 for ; 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[86.7.189.148]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h9sm20117820wmb.35.2021.05.10.07.33.47 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 10 May 2021 07:33:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/53] Get rid of UTF-8 chars that can be mapped as ASCII To: Matthew Wilcox Cc: Mauro Carvalho Chehab , David Woodhouse , Linux Doc Mailing List , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Jonathan Corbet , alsa-devel@alsa-project.org, coresight@lists.linaro.org, dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org, intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org, intel-wired-lan@lists.osuosl.org, keyrings@vger.kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linux-edac@vger.kernel.org, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-fpga@vger.kernel.org, linux-hwmon@vger.kernel.org, linux-iio@vger.kernel.org, linux-input@vger.kernel.org, linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org, linux-media@vger.kernel.org, linux-pci@vger.kernel.org, linux-pm@vger.kernel.org, linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org, linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org, linux-sgx@vger.kernel.org, linux-usb@vger.kernel.org, mjpeg-users@lists.sourceforge.net, netdev@vger.kernel.org, rcu@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org References: <2ae366fdff4bd5910a2270823e8da70521c859af.camel@infradead.org> <20210510135518.305cc03d@coco.lan> From: Edward Cree Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 May 2021 15:33:47 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-GB X-CRM114-Version: 20100106-BlameMichelson ( TRE 0.8.0 (BSD) ) MR-646709E3 X-CRM114-CacheID: sfid-20210510_073351_423678_92D27A7E X-CRM114-Status: GOOD ( 16.43 ) X-BeenThere: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: "linux-arm-kernel" Errors-To: linux-arm-kernel-bounces+linux-arm-kernel=archiver.kernel.org@lists.infradead.org On 10/05/2021 14:59, Matthew Wilcox wrote: > Most of these > UTF-8 characters come from latex conversions and really aren't > necessary (and are being used incorrectly). I fully agree with fixing those. The cover-letter, however, gave the impression that that was not the main purpose of this series; just, perhaps, a happy side-effect. > You seem quite knowedgeable about the various differences. Perhaps > you'd be willing to write a document for Documentation/doc-guide/ > that provides guidance for when to use which kinds of horizontal > line?I have Opinions about the proper usage of punctuation, but I also know that other people have differing opinions. For instance, I place spaces around an em dash, which is nonstandard according to most style guides. Really this is an individual enough thing that I'm not sure we could have a "kernel style guide" that would be more useful than general-purpose guidance like the page you linked. Moreover, such a guide could make non-native speakers needlessly self- conscious about their writing and discourage them from contributing documentation at all. I'm not advocating here for trying to push kernel developers towards an eats-shoots-and-leaves level of linguistic pedantry; rather, I merely think that existing correct usages should be left intact (and therefore, excising incorrect usage should only be attempted by someone with both the expertise and time to check each case). But if you really want such a doc I wouldn't mind contributing to it. -ed _______________________________________________ linux-arm-kernel mailing list linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-arm-kernel From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,NICE_REPLY_A,SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS,USER_AGENT_SANE_1 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0895DC433ED for ; Mon, 10 May 2021 14:34:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lists.sourceforge.net (lists.sourceforge.net [216.105.38.7]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8491F611F0; 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[86.7.189.148]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h9sm20117820wmb.35.2021.05.10.07.33.47 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 10 May 2021 07:33:48 -0700 (PDT) To: Matthew Wilcox References: <2ae366fdff4bd5910a2270823e8da70521c859af.camel@infradead.org> <20210510135518.305cc03d@coco.lan> From: Edward Cree Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 May 2021 15:33:47 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-GB X-Headers-End: 1lg6yp-0004lI-68 Subject: Re: [f2fs-dev] [PATCH 00/53] Get rid of UTF-8 chars that can be mapped as ASCII X-BeenThere: linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: alsa-devel@alsa-project.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org, Linux Doc Mailing List , linux-iio@vger.kernel.org, linux-pci@vger.kernel.org, linux-fpga@vger.kernel.org, dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org, keyrings@vger.kernel.org, linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org, Jonathan Corbet , Mauro Carvalho Chehab , x86@kernel.org, linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org, intel-wired-lan@lists.osuosl.org, linux-input@vger.kernel.org, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org, linux-media@vger.kernel.org, linux-pm@vger.kernel.org, linux-sgx@vger.kernel.org, coresight@lists.linaro.org, rcu@vger.kernel.org, mjpeg-users@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linux-edac@vger.kernel.org, linux-hwmon@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-usb@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org, linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org, David Woodhouse Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: linux-f2fs-devel-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net On 10/05/2021 14:59, Matthew Wilcox wrote: > Most of these > UTF-8 characters come from latex conversions and really aren't > necessary (and are being used incorrectly). I fully agree with fixing those. The cover-letter, however, gave the impression that that was not the main purpose of this series; just, perhaps, a happy side-effect. > You seem quite knowedgeable about the various differences. Perhaps > you'd be willing to write a document for Documentation/doc-guide/ > that provides guidance for when to use which kinds of horizontal > line?I have Opinions about the proper usage of punctuation, but I also know that other people have differing opinions. For instance, I place spaces around an em dash, which is nonstandard according to most style guides. Really this is an individual enough thing that I'm not sure we could have a "kernel style guide" that would be more useful than general-purpose guidance like the page you linked. Moreover, such a guide could make non-native speakers needlessly self- conscious about their writing and discourage them from contributing documentation at all. I'm not advocating here for trying to push kernel developers towards an eats-shoots-and-leaves level of linguistic pedantry; rather, I merely think that existing correct usages should be left intact (and therefore, excising incorrect usage should only be attempted by someone with both the expertise and time to check each case). But if you really want such a doc I wouldn't mind contributing to it. -ed _______________________________________________ Linux-f2fs-devel mailing list Linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/linux-f2fs-devel From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,NICE_REPLY_A,SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS,USER_AGENT_SANE_1 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27DE6C433B4 for ; Mon, 10 May 2021 14:55:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from alsa0.perex.cz (alsa0.perex.cz [77.48.224.243]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8D33D61493 for ; Mon, 10 May 2021 14:55:53 +0000 (UTC) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org 8D33D61493 Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=gmail.com Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=alsa-devel-bounces@alsa-project.org Received: from alsa1.perex.cz (alsa1.perex.cz [207.180.221.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by alsa0.perex.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 287061787; Mon, 10 May 2021 16:55:02 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 alsa0.perex.cz 287061787 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=alsa-project.org; s=default; t=1620658552; bh=+/RXNJOXTT/VHXTrd8Yc6ufV6nwAMfyIWlLkudty4w4=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:Cc:List-Id: List-Unsubscribe:List-Archive:List-Post:List-Help:List-Subscribe: From; b=thnLeRJlyGjaX/DeOLca+kSkQ97tirlaek4GDuvP6B21nqOi19wqpVeVg79nd68BO tc7jYex5iNDCiuMnCDLloTQSf89Hk+6jkRTiMqlApxvKTQIhpUUlv2gAov9ZBAkq35 0kxXNS3wAxGhzd3N10p60GU/+AT8g0NxxWnBx808= Received: from alsa1.perex.cz (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alsa1.perex.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3593FF804FA; Mon, 10 May 2021 16:50:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: by alsa1.perex.cz (Postfix, from userid 50401) id 41C29F80240; Mon, 10 May 2021 16:33:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail-wr1-x429.google.com (mail-wr1-x429.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::429]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by alsa1.perex.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2DC71F800E9 for ; Mon, 10 May 2021 16:33:49 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 alsa1.perex.cz 2DC71F800E9 Authentication-Results: alsa1.perex.cz; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="jIc4OS4U" Received: by mail-wr1-x429.google.com with SMTP id l2so16872355wrm.9 for ; Mon, 10 May 2021 07:33:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=iXsxoOt9fS3DXvxCyyFOaJfbPkU6WlTqA1MG4BgEpJA=; b=jIc4OS4UG1e9Htue39hs2SdJXCmPLn+MTostxG/pw06sXYt4cF0beJY8cOPd4XkNvN wMkWqq4rS4nqVWqmlHYwknDCThc4F5oj3a10x6AGXMwZ0Kkxjgx6mU53ky5S6gct5IOF gb8YE/CdqFeQhJSfkuXg75IoXDsEW/QKbfnCDm8DSyF/6zHxA2in236S9Jv233h02Cag nY/zUkluYzDhxrfM75C6Qnf/beBRBG9DBN2uslTW/jB8AmOrnU4strwuRTlIYCmTiED9 Adakd2gy/AYmhY6PfiGery2Nb+BVYLJb2xN6RqR96XQSpLkoAkrrTIc1zJH3tzspThUx eDlQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=iXsxoOt9fS3DXvxCyyFOaJfbPkU6WlTqA1MG4BgEpJA=; b=aZqCtlc2eeGfD0RxYiatYIUUFlNrzHwsz+glu0RoEUTZmhdKSF22Tcl0CUItB8/tqR k876is5YEh+UwpkxZX1cUyBXRv5ojXD860U0LfKxQYk28TLO8H5NFg7Bo4FjDdGFn9GS h2zNGfwnFyq2bdnFwxBWd8RUYuSsv7Wy1sWucSZt0Sz6cLHZxO/Ote3w4zZtAViIpC3/ iatgQY6iuV7SxwXk5zkqkVnohDJYt8zhR/+wExg5H1CyCXA7nG49TVRyTnKwenW4tXYk ZW/OYzmezLCPKUVeHDG/GWFqR9mZl58j7/qrGzqSZ29z2hIMBk0lqQlmxVSkeWJUMegF 85OQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532zkNY1etSe/MfR2S39u3wLcZr1D6CA30Ln7LoYXNDlfkwHOXYB r3iz0q1Axu63406/NDmKJb8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJze1q8t3iuv5DjzOv0RveTjqSpEwnprh+IG3St78u9eWCZrU93KSEZYLbobgkyZLBZ/m0bYBQ== X-Received: by 2002:adf:e98c:: with SMTP id h12mr30469476wrm.314.1620657229579; Mon, 10 May 2021 07:33:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.122] (cpc159425-cmbg20-2-0-cust403.5-4.cable.virginm.net. [86.7.189.148]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h9sm20117820wmb.35.2021.05.10.07.33.47 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 10 May 2021 07:33:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/53] Get rid of UTF-8 chars that can be mapped as ASCII To: Matthew Wilcox References: <2ae366fdff4bd5910a2270823e8da70521c859af.camel@infradead.org> <20210510135518.305cc03d@coco.lan> From: Edward Cree Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 May 2021 15:33:47 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 10 May 2021 16:50:04 +0200 Cc: alsa-devel@alsa-project.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org, Linux Doc Mailing List , linux-iio@vger.kernel.org, linux-pci@vger.kernel.org, linux-fpga@vger.kernel.org, dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org, keyrings@vger.kernel.org, linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org, Jonathan Corbet , Mauro Carvalho Chehab , x86@kernel.org, linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org, intel-wired-lan@lists.osuosl.org, linux-input@vger.kernel.org, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org, linux-media@vger.kernel.org, linux-pm@vger.kernel.org, linux-sgx@vger.kernel.org, coresight@lists.linaro.org, rcu@vger.kernel.org, mjpeg-users@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linux-edac@vger.kernel.org, linux-hwmon@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-usb@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org, linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org, David Woodhouse X-BeenThere: alsa-devel@alsa-project.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Alsa-devel mailing list for ALSA developers - http://www.alsa-project.org" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: alsa-devel-bounces@alsa-project.org Sender: "Alsa-devel" On 10/05/2021 14:59, Matthew Wilcox wrote: > Most of these > UTF-8 characters come from latex conversions and really aren't > necessary (and are being used incorrectly). I fully agree with fixing those. The cover-letter, however, gave the impression that that was not the main purpose of this series; just, perhaps, a happy side-effect. > You seem quite knowedgeable about the various differences. Perhaps > you'd be willing to write a document for Documentation/doc-guide/ > that provides guidance for when to use which kinds of horizontal > line?I have Opinions about the proper usage of punctuation, but I also know that other people have differing opinions. For instance, I place spaces around an em dash, which is nonstandard according to most style guides. Really this is an individual enough thing that I'm not sure we could have a "kernel style guide" that would be more useful than general-purpose guidance like the page you linked. Moreover, such a guide could make non-native speakers needlessly self- conscious about their writing and discourage them from contributing documentation at all. I'm not advocating here for trying to push kernel developers towards an eats-shoots-and-leaves level of linguistic pedantry; rather, I merely think that existing correct usages should be left intact (and therefore, excising incorrect usage should only be attempted by someone with both the expertise and time to check each case). 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[86.7.189.148]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h9sm20117820wmb.35.2021.05.10.07.33.47 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 10 May 2021 07:33:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/53] Get rid of UTF-8 chars that can be mapped as ASCII To: Matthew Wilcox Cc: Mauro Carvalho Chehab , David Woodhouse , Linux Doc Mailing List , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Jonathan Corbet , alsa-devel@alsa-project.org, coresight@lists.linaro.org, dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org, intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org, intel-wired-lan@lists.osuosl.org, keyrings@vger.kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linux-edac@vger.kernel.org, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-fpga@vger.kernel.org, linux-hwmon@vger.kernel.org, linux-iio@vger.kernel.org, linux-input@vger.kernel.org, linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org, linux-media@vger.kernel.org, linux-pci@vger.kernel.org, linux-pm@vger.kernel.org, linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org, linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org, linux-sgx@vger.kernel.org, linux-usb@vger.kernel.org, mjpeg-users@lists.sourceforge.net, netdev@vger.kernel.org, rcu@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org References: <2ae366fdff4bd5910a2270823e8da70521c859af.camel@infradead.org> <20210510135518.305cc03d@coco.lan> From: Edward Cree Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 May 2021 15:33:47 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On 10/05/2021 14:59, Matthew Wilcox wrote: > Most of these > UTF-8 characters come from latex conversions and really aren't > necessary (and are being used incorrectly). I fully agree with fixing those. The cover-letter, however, gave the impression that that was not the main purpose of this series; just, perhaps, a happy side-effect. > You seem quite knowedgeable about the various differences. Perhaps > you'd be willing to write a document for Documentation/doc-guide/ > that provides guidance for when to use which kinds of horizontal > line?I have Opinions about the proper usage of punctuation, but I also know that other people have differing opinions. For instance, I place spaces around an em dash, which is nonstandard according to most style guides. Really this is an individual enough thing that I'm not sure we could have a "kernel style guide" that would be more useful than general-purpose guidance like the page you linked. Moreover, such a guide could make non-native speakers needlessly self- conscious about their writing and discourage them from contributing documentation at all. I'm not advocating here for trying to push kernel developers towards an eats-shoots-and-leaves level of linguistic pedantry; rather, I merely think that existing correct usages should be left intact (and therefore, excising incorrect usage should only be attempted by someone with both the expertise and time to check each case). 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[86.7.189.148]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h9sm20117820wmb.35.2021.05.10.07.33.47 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 10 May 2021 07:33:48 -0700 (PDT) To: Matthew Wilcox References: <2ae366fdff4bd5910a2270823e8da70521c859af.camel@infradead.org> <20210510135518.305cc03d@coco.lan> From: Edward Cree Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 May 2021 15:33:47 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-GB X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 11 May 2021 12:09:59 +0000 Subject: Re: [Intel-gfx] [PATCH 00/53] Get rid of UTF-8 chars that can be mapped as ASCII X-BeenThere: intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Intel graphics driver community testing & development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: alsa-devel@alsa-project.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org, Linux Doc Mailing List , linux-iio@vger.kernel.org, linux-pci@vger.kernel.org, linux-fpga@vger.kernel.org, dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org, keyrings@vger.kernel.org, linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org, Jonathan Corbet , Mauro Carvalho Chehab , x86@kernel.org, linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org, intel-wired-lan@lists.osuosl.org, linux-input@vger.kernel.org, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org, linux-media@vger.kernel.org, linux-pm@vger.kernel.org, linux-sgx@vger.kernel.org, coresight@lists.linaro.org, rcu@vger.kernel.org, mjpeg-users@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linux-edac@vger.kernel.org, linux-hwmon@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-usb@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org, linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org, David Woodhouse Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: intel-gfx-bounces@lists.freedesktop.org Sender: "Intel-gfx" On 10/05/2021 14:59, Matthew Wilcox wrote: > Most of these > UTF-8 characters come from latex conversions and really aren't > necessary (and are being used incorrectly). I fully agree with fixing those. The cover-letter, however, gave the impression that that was not the main purpose of this series; just, perhaps, a happy side-effect. > You seem quite knowedgeable about the various differences. Perhaps > you'd be willing to write a document for Documentation/doc-guide/ > that provides guidance for when to use which kinds of horizontal > line?I have Opinions about the proper usage of punctuation, but I also know that other people have differing opinions. For instance, I place spaces around an em dash, which is nonstandard according to most style guides. Really this is an individual enough thing that I'm not sure we could have a "kernel style guide" that would be more useful than general-purpose guidance like the page you linked. Moreover, such a guide could make non-native speakers needlessly self- conscious about their writing and discourage them from contributing documentation at all. I'm not advocating here for trying to push kernel developers towards an eats-shoots-and-leaves level of linguistic pedantry; rather, I merely think that existing correct usages should be left intact (and therefore, excising incorrect usage should only be attempted by someone with both the expertise and time to check each case). But if you really want such a doc I wouldn't mind contributing to it. -ed _______________________________________________ Intel-gfx mailing list Intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/intel-gfx From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Edward Cree Date: Mon, 10 May 2021 15:33:47 +0100 Subject: [Intel-wired-lan] [PATCH 00/53] Get rid of UTF-8 chars that can be mapped as ASCII In-Reply-To: References: <2ae366fdff4bd5910a2270823e8da70521c859af.camel@infradead.org> <20210510135518.305cc03d@coco.lan> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: intel-wired-lan@osuosl.org List-ID: On 10/05/2021 14:59, Matthew Wilcox wrote: > Most of these > UTF-8 characters come from latex conversions and really aren't > necessary (and are being used incorrectly). I fully agree with fixing those. The cover-letter, however, gave the impression that that was not the main purpose of this series; just, perhaps, a happy side-effect. > You seem quite knowedgeable about the various differences. Perhaps > you'd be willing to write a document for Documentation/doc-guide/ > that provides guidance for when to use which kinds of horizontal > line?I have Opinions about the proper usage of punctuation, but I also know that other people have differing opinions. For instance, I place spaces around an em dash, which is nonstandard according to most style guides. Really this is an individual enough thing that I'm not sure we could have a "kernel style guide" that would be more useful than general-purpose guidance like the page you linked. Moreover, such a guide could make non-native speakers needlessly self- conscious about their writing and discourage them from contributing documentation at all. I'm not advocating here for trying to push kernel developers towards an eats-shoots-and-leaves level of linguistic pedantry; rather, I merely think that existing correct usages should be left intact (and therefore, excising incorrect usage should only be attempted by someone with both the expertise and time to check each case). But if you really want such a doc I wouldn't mind contributing to it. -ed