From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.3 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,NICE_REPLY_A,SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS,USER_AGENT_SANE_1 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F690C433C1 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 19:10:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp3.osuosl.org (smtp3.osuosl.org [140.211.166.136]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A2CB6619B3 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 19:10:04 +0000 (UTC) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org A2CB6619B3 Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=leemhuis.info Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=ksummit-discuss-bounces@lists.linuxfoundation.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp3.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 647F060865; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 19:10:04 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at osuosl.org Received: from smtp3.osuosl.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp3.osuosl.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uQ7OYTDuj0dO; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 19:10:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lists.linuxfoundation.org (lf-lists.osuosl.org [IPv6:2605:bc80:3010:104::8cd3:938]) by smtp3.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB3EB6065F; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 19:10:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lf-lists.osuosl.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lists.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69DFAC000E; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 19:10:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp4.osuosl.org (smtp4.osuosl.org [IPv6:2605:bc80:3010::137]) by lists.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A522EC000D for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 19:10:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 933DB404E9 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 19:10:00 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at osuosl.org Received: from smtp4.osuosl.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp4.osuosl.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yHlIzmV-Cs1o for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 19:09:58 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.8.0 Received: from wp530.webpack.hosteurope.de (wp530.webpack.hosteurope.de [IPv6:2a01:488:42:1000:50ed:8234::]) by smtp4.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8860E40498 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 19:09:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ip4d142c50.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de ([77.20.44.80] helo=[192.168.66.200]); authenticated by wp530.webpack.hosteurope.de running ExIM with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) id 1lOmPa-0005x5-Uy; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 20:09:54 +0100 To: Konstantin Ryabitsev References: <613fe50d-fc9c-6282-f1f3-34653acb2ee9@leemhuis.info> <62b60247-7838-a624-706e-b1a54785b2a5@leemhuis.info> <54aeb1f7-ffc7-74e1-a731-8970d44ff852@leemhuis.info> From: Thorsten Leemhuis Message-ID: Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 20:09:54 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-BS X-bounce-key: webpack.hosteurope.de;linux@leemhuis.info;1616526598;f34c7120; X-HE-SMSGID: 1lOmPa-0005x5-Uy Cc: ksummit , Greg KH , Linux Kernel Mailing List , workflows@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] RFC: create mailing list "linux-issues" focussed on issues/bugs and regressions X-BeenThere: ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: ksummit-discuss-bounces@lists.linuxfoundation.org Sender: "Ksummit-discuss" On 23.03.21 16:01, Konstantin Ryabitsev wrote: > On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 at 04:58, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: >>> If we can >>> actually get users to *read* it, I think it's going to save kernel >>> developers a huge amount of time and frustration. >> And users hopefully as well. But yes, making them read it is the >> problem. :-/ > I've added a very visible admonition on the front of > bugzilla.kernel.org. Hopefully, it will help direct some users to > their distro bug trackers first. Ahh, great, thx! >>> I wonder if it might be useful to have a form which users could be >>> encouraged to fill out so that (a) the information is available in a >>> structured format so it's easier for developers to find the relevant >>> information, (b) so it is easier for programs to parse, for easier >>> reporting or indexing, and (c) as a nudge so that users remember to >>> report critical bits of information such as the hardware >>> configuration, the exact kernel version, which distribution userspace >>> was in use, etc. >>> >>> There could also be something in the text form which would make it >>> easier for lore.kernel.org searches to identify bug reports. (e.g., >>> "LINUX KERNEL BUG REPORTER TEMPLATE") >> >> Hmmm, yeah, I like that idea. I'll keep it in mind for later: I would >> prefer to get reporting-issues.rst officially blessed and >> reporting-bugs.rst gone before working on further enhancements. > > To my knowledge, git project uses a tool for that: > https://git-scm.com/docs/git-bugreport > > Theoretically, a similar tool could exist for the kernel. Wasn't aware of that tool, thx for pointing it out, will take a closer look. Ciao, Thorsten _______________________________________________ Ksummit-discuss mailing list Ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ksummit-discuss From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.3 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,NICE_REPLY_A,SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS,USER_AGENT_SANE_1 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AABDC433E0 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 19:10:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51632619B8 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 19:10:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S233187AbhCWTKD (ORCPT ); Tue, 23 Mar 2021 15:10:03 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:53626 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S233013AbhCWTJ7 (ORCPT ); Tue, 23 Mar 2021 15:09:59 -0400 Received: from wp530.webpack.hosteurope.de (wp530.webpack.hosteurope.de [IPv6:2a01:488:42:1000:50ed:8234::]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 28114C061574; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 12:09:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ip4d142c50.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de ([77.20.44.80] helo=[192.168.66.200]); authenticated by wp530.webpack.hosteurope.de running ExIM with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) id 1lOmPa-0005x5-Uy; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 20:09:54 +0100 To: Konstantin Ryabitsev Cc: Theodore Ts'o , Linus Torvalds , Greg KH , workflows@vger.kernel.org, Linux Kernel Mailing List , ksummit References: <613fe50d-fc9c-6282-f1f3-34653acb2ee9@leemhuis.info> <62b60247-7838-a624-706e-b1a54785b2a5@leemhuis.info> <54aeb1f7-ffc7-74e1-a731-8970d44ff852@leemhuis.info> From: Thorsten Leemhuis Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] RFC: create mailing list "linux-issues" focussed on issues/bugs and regressions Message-ID: Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 20:09:54 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-BS Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-bounce-key: webpack.hosteurope.de;linux@leemhuis.info;1616526598;f34c7120; X-HE-SMSGID: 1lOmPa-0005x5-Uy Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On 23.03.21 16:01, Konstantin Ryabitsev wrote: > On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 at 04:58, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: >>> If we can >>> actually get users to *read* it, I think it's going to save kernel >>> developers a huge amount of time and frustration. >> And users hopefully as well. But yes, making them read it is the >> problem. :-/ > I've added a very visible admonition on the front of > bugzilla.kernel.org. Hopefully, it will help direct some users to > their distro bug trackers first. Ahh, great, thx! >>> I wonder if it might be useful to have a form which users could be >>> encouraged to fill out so that (a) the information is available in a >>> structured format so it's easier for developers to find the relevant >>> information, (b) so it is easier for programs to parse, for easier >>> reporting or indexing, and (c) as a nudge so that users remember to >>> report critical bits of information such as the hardware >>> configuration, the exact kernel version, which distribution userspace >>> was in use, etc. >>> >>> There could also be something in the text form which would make it >>> easier for lore.kernel.org searches to identify bug reports. (e.g., >>> "LINUX KERNEL BUG REPORTER TEMPLATE") >> >> Hmmm, yeah, I like that idea. I'll keep it in mind for later: I would >> prefer to get reporting-issues.rst officially blessed and >> reporting-bugs.rst gone before working on further enhancements. > > To my knowledge, git project uses a tool for that: > https://git-scm.com/docs/git-bugreport > > Theoretically, a similar tool could exist for the kernel. Wasn't aware of that tool, thx for pointing it out, will take a closer look. Ciao, Thorsten