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From: Carlos O'Donell <carlos@redhat.com>
To: Ian Kelling <iank@fsf.org>
Cc: Konstantin Ryabitsev <konstantin@linuxfoundation.org>,
	cti-tac@lists.linuxfoundation.org,
	Khahil White <kwhite@linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: Next steps from GTI TAC meeting on 2023-03-08 - Evaluate cost of glibc migration.
Date: Thu, 25 May 2023 07:02:55 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <54f9b741-52a2-ced0-5a8f-1ed2475b4cb6@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <877csx8k7g.fsf@fsf.org>

On 5/24/23 17:53, Ian Kelling wrote:
> 
> Carlos O'Donell <carlos@redhat.com> writes:
> 
>> On 5/22/23 10:37, Ian Kelling wrote:
>>>
>>> GNU already has a system for release uploads to https://ftp.gnu.org that
>>> works very well and I help maintain it.
>>
>> Agreed, and I use it for glibc to upload release tarballs.
>>
>> However, the tarball release process is quite heavy-weight for release branch maintenance.
>>
>> In addition the downstreams sync from git release branch -> distro git to get the 
>> rolling release updates.
>>
>> So all the other discussions about trusting git become relevant here.
> 
> Yes, that all makes sense to me.

Just for clarity, and quoting again from my service evaluation for glibc:
~~~
* Release tarballs (ftp upload of gpg-signed release tarballs)
  https://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/libc/
  * Use gnupload script to gpg sign uploaded tarballs.
   * Uses ncftpput to place files into /incoming directories.
   * Network ftp access required.
  * Managed by the GNU Project/FSF.
  * Migration notes:
   * No migration required, would continue to upload to FSF.
   * Longer term discussion to use something more advanced.
   * Though good to have a backup following kernel best practice.
~~~

I noted that no migration is required here, but a backup has value.
If the backup, kput, used my ssh key via gitolite then it's already
using something I have setup as a maintainer to access git.

Several of the GNU Toolchain projects today upload to sourceware.org
*and* gnu.org. After the upload is complete we have mirroring from
other sources. So only the service of "upload" during a release window
could be improved by having an alternative.

The longer term discussion point there is specifically about what I
raised there, that release branch maintenance via tarballs is much
heavier than needed. Upstream uses git. Downstream uses git. And we
want a git to git mirror-style setup. In Fedora we would call this
"source-git" (as opposted to "dist-git" which contains rpm spec
files and configuration information). Today we sync Fedora Rawhide
dist-git weekly from upstream glibc git in order to have weekly
CI/CD. This conversation is something I can have with the GNU Project
and attempt to document best practice.

-- 
Cheers,
Carlos.


  reply	other threads:[~2023-05-25 11:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-04-03 17:24 Next steps from GTI TAC meeting on 2023-03-08 - Evaluate cost of glibc migration Carlos O'Donell
2023-04-12 20:46 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2023-04-12 21:28   ` Brian Behlendorf
2023-05-19 21:00 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2023-05-22 14:37   ` Ian Kelling
2023-05-24 20:50     ` Carlos O'Donell
2023-05-24 21:53       ` Ian Kelling
2023-05-25 11:02         ` Carlos O'Donell [this message]
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2023-05-19 22:47 Joseph Myers
2023-05-22 10:11 ` Joel Brobecker
2023-05-24 12:44   ` Carlos O'Donell
2023-05-24 13:43     ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-05-24 14:12       ` Carlos O'Donell
2023-05-24 15:18         ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-05-23 17:38 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2023-05-23 19:34   ` Joseph Myers
2023-05-23 19:52     ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2023-05-23 20:12       ` Joseph Myers
2023-05-23 20:21         ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2023-05-23 22:12           ` Joseph Myers
2023-05-24 16:29             ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2023-05-24 18:13               ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-05-24 18:55                 ` Brian Behlendorf
2023-05-24 21:27                   ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-05-25 11:06                     ` Carlos O'Donell
2023-05-24 19:06                 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2023-05-24 19:42                   ` Joseph Myers
2023-05-24 21:12                   ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-05-25 11:12                     ` Carlos O'Donell
2023-05-24 18:58               ` Joseph Myers
2023-05-24 12:11       ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-05-24 18:44         ` Joseph Myers
2023-05-24 19:58           ` Carlos O'Donell
2023-05-24 12:57     ` Carlos O'Donell
2023-05-24 18:46       ` Joseph Myers
2023-05-24 20:19         ` Carlos O'Donell
2023-05-24 20:48           ` Joseph Myers

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