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From: Peter Hurley <peter-WaGBZJeGNqdsbIuE7sb01tBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
To: Doug Anderson <dianders-F7+t8E8rja9g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/4] Patches to allow consistent mmc / mmcblk numbering w/ device tree
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 16:58:12 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5723F514.4@hurleysoftware.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAD=FV=U5jnJJ3v=nFGFecoKB5KGv1ufC+aKbHx2iCqBTWpDTww-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>

On 04/29/2016 04:01 PM, Doug Anderson wrote:
> * serial allows numbering devices by alias.

Which is in fact a total nightmare.

While stable device order is mandatory in serial because of
console command line parameters and existing userspace expectations,
it is the number one barrier to providing a shared ttyS namespace
for mixed uart platforms.

Stable device order has a very real (and often unforeseen) maintenance
burden.

For example, I noticed these patches are strictly for DT.
I'm assuming that's because guaranteeing stable device order for
mmc in general is more difficult; eg., by performing minimal scan
serially and more expensive portion of the probe async.

Regards,
Peter Hurley



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  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-04-29 23:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-04-29 17:32 [PATCH v2 0/4] Patches to allow consistent mmc / mmcblk numbering w/ device tree Douglas Anderson
     [not found] ` <1461951139-6109-1-git-send-email-dianders-F7+t8E8rja9g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-29 17:32   ` [PATCH v2 1/4] Documentation: mmc: Document mmc aliases Douglas Anderson
2016-04-29 17:32   ` [PATCH v2 2/4] mmc: read mmc alias from device tree Douglas Anderson
2016-04-29 17:32   ` [PATCH v2 3/4] mmc: use SD/MMC host ID for block device name ID Douglas Anderson
2016-04-29 18:12   ` [PATCH v2 0/4] Patches to allow consistent mmc / mmcblk numbering w/ device tree Rob Herring
     [not found]     ` <CAL_JsqKOADU1hyLj+3cHjTJ7wgkOi-z-iWvFD3Bx5dvB12j+KQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-29 19:31       ` Doug Anderson
     [not found]         ` <CAD=FV=XFZ+4o_QyOdkNZyZ6ZmyXNH1Fbn458oeAxAMLOB=fLkg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-29 19:50           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
     [not found]             ` <20160429195007.GX19428-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-29 20:02               ` Doug Anderson
2016-04-29 18:12   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
     [not found]     ` <20160429181248.GW19428-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-29 19:43       ` Doug Anderson
2016-04-29 19:57         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
     [not found]           ` <20160429195741.GY19428-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-29 20:04             ` Doug Anderson
2016-04-29 21:13               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
     [not found]                 ` <20160429211328.GZ19428-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-29 21:17                   ` Doug Anderson
2016-04-29 21:29                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
     [not found]                       ` <20160429212920.GA19428-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-29 21:39                         ` Doug Anderson
2016-04-29 21:50                           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-04-29 21:56                             ` Doug Anderson
2016-04-29 22:16                               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-04-29 22:22                                 ` Doug Anderson
     [not found]                                   ` <CAD=FV=WzgGFzzpeYAPrOpMS684_G=XRoSRjTegK-vre=fX=kpw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-29 22:44                                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-04-29 23:01                                       ` Doug Anderson
     [not found]                                         ` <CAD=FV=U5jnJJ3v=nFGFecoKB5KGv1ufC+aKbHx2iCqBTWpDTww-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-29 23:58                                           ` Peter Hurley [this message]
     [not found]                                             ` <CAD=FV=V_YyfBOSs7BLkyhv=_5HBmf3djUWACbL6d-bwnrueDjA@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                                               ` <CAD=FV=V_YyfBOSs7BLkyhv=_5HBmf3djUWACbL6d-bwnrueDjA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-30  0:31                                                 ` Peter Hurley
2016-04-30  2:29                                                   ` Doug Anderson
     [not found]                                                   ` <5723FCE3.9070308-WaGBZJeGNqdsbIuE7sb01tBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-30  8:38                                                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-04-30 13:23                                           ` Rob Herring
2016-04-29 22:42                                 ` Javier Martinez Canillas
2016-04-30 10:48                                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
     [not found]                                     ` <20160430104832.GJ19428-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-03 19:17                                       ` Trent Piepho
2016-05-04  7:18     ` Pavel Machek
2016-05-04 12:25       ` Rob Herring
2016-05-04 12:46         ` Pavel Machek
2016-04-29 17:32 ` [PATCH v2 4/4] ARM: dts: rockchip: Add mmc aliases for rk3288 platform Douglas Anderson
2019-03-05 12:39 ` [PATCH v2 0/4] Patches to allow consistent mmc / mmcblk numbering w/ device tree Måns Rullgård
2019-03-15 21:52   ` Tim Harvey
     [not found]     ` <CAJ+vNU1PxK-B63Dc3AgzYb9POyxxoF-xPOWBEpxJ+3eVNK8xqw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2019-03-15 23:00       ` Marek Vasut
2019-03-15 23:13         ` Tim Harvey
2019-03-15 23:23         ` Doug Anderson
     [not found]         ` <yw1xftrn2em9.fsf@mansr.com>
2019-03-16 12:33           ` Marek Vasut
2019-03-16 15:39             ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2019-03-17 15:05               ` Stefan Agner
2019-03-17 15:43                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2019-03-17 15:50                   ` Marek Vasut
2019-03-17 16:48                 ` Måns Rullgård
2019-03-17 16:59                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2019-03-27 17:37                     ` Tim Harvey
2019-03-27 20:54                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin

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