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From: Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>
To: ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org
Cc: Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab+samsung@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] Bug-introducing patches
Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2018 12:44:32 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <10978266.ZcOyfo1TOH@avalon> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180907180633.564b798c@coco.lan>

On Saturday, 8 September 2018 00:06:33 EEST Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote:
> Em Fri, 7 Sep 2018 11:13:20 +0200 Daniel Vetter escreveu:
> > On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 6:27 AM, Theodore Y. Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu> wrote:
> > > On Fri, Sep 07, 2018 at 01:49:31AM +0000, Sasha Levin via
> > > Ksummit-discuss wrote:
> > > 
> > > There actually is a perverse incentive to having all of the test
> > > 'bots, which is that I suspect some people have come to rely on it to
> > > catch problems.  I generally run a full set of regression tests before
> > > I push an update to git.kernel.org (it only takes about 2 hours, and
> > > 12 VM's :-); and by the time we get to the late -rc's I *always* will
> > > do a full regression test.
> > 
> > This is what imo a well-run subsystem should sound like from a testing
> > pov. All the subsystem specific testing should be done before merging.
> > Post-merge is only for integration testing and catching the long-tail
> > issues that need months/years of machine time to surface.
> > 
> > Of course this is much harder for anything that needs physical
> > hardware, but even for driver subsystems there's lots you can do with
> > test-drivers, selftests and a pile of emulation, to at least catch
> > bugs in generic code. And for reasonably sized teams like drm/i915
> > building a proper CI is a very obvious investement that will pay off.
> 
> IMHO, CI would do even a better job for smaller teams, as they won't
> have much resources for testing, but the problem here is that those
> teams probably lack resources and money to invest on a physical hardware
> to setup a CI infra and to buy the myriad of different hardware to
> do regression testing.
> 
> Also, some devices are harder to test: how would you check if a camera
> microphone is working? How to check if the camera captured images
> are ok?

The same way you would check the display output. Cameras can be pointed at 
known scenes with controlled lightning. TV capture cards can be fed a known 
signal. Even for microphone testing we could put the camera in a sound-proof 
enclosure, with an audio source. Solutions exist, whether we have the budget 
to implement them is the real question.

-- 
Regards,

Laurent Pinchart

  reply	other threads:[~2018-09-08  9:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 138+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-09-04 20:16 [Ksummit-discuss] [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] Bug-introducing patches Sasha Levin
2018-09-04 20:53 ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-05 14:17   ` Steven Rostedt
2018-09-07  0:51     ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-07  1:09       ` Steven Rostedt
2018-09-07 20:12         ` Greg KH
2018-09-07 21:12           ` Greg KH
2018-09-07  1:09       ` Linus Torvalds
2018-09-07  1:49         ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-07  2:31           ` Linus Torvalds
2018-09-07  2:45             ` Steven Rostedt
2018-09-07  3:43               ` Linus Torvalds
2018-09-07  8:52                 ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-07  8:40               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-09-07  9:07                 ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-07  9:28                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-09-07 17:05                   ` Olof Johansson
2018-09-07 14:54             ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-07 15:52               ` Linus Torvalds
2018-09-07 16:17                 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-09-07 21:39                   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-09-09 12:50                   ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-09-10 20:05                     ` Tony Lindgren
2018-09-10 19:43                 ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-10 20:45                   ` Steven Rostedt
2018-09-10 21:20                     ` Guenter Roeck
2018-09-10 21:46                       ` Steven Rostedt
2018-09-10 23:03                         ` Eduardo Valentin
2018-09-10 23:13                           ` Steven Rostedt
2018-09-11 15:42                             ` Steven Rostedt
2018-09-11 17:40                               ` Tony Lindgren
2018-09-11 17:47                                 ` James Bottomley
2018-09-11 18:12                                   ` Eduardo Valentin
2018-09-11 18:17                                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-09-12 15:15                                       ` Eduardo Valentin
2018-09-11 18:19                                     ` James Bottomley
2018-09-12 15:17                                       ` Eduardo Valentin
2018-09-11 18:39                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2018-09-11 20:09                                     ` James Bottomley
2018-09-11 20:31                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2018-09-11 22:53                                         ` James Bottomley
2018-09-11 23:04                                           ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-11 23:11                                             ` James Bottomley
2018-09-11 23:20                                               ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-12 15:41                                                 ` Eduardo Valentin
2018-09-11 23:22                                           ` Tony Lindgren
2018-09-11 23:29                                             ` James Bottomley
2018-09-12 11:55                                               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-09-12 12:03                                                 ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-12 12:29                                                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-12 12:53                                                     ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-12 13:10                                                       ` Alexandre Belloni
2018-09-12 13:30                                                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-12 23:16                                                         ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-12 14:11                                                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-19  8:26                                                         ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-20  9:02                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-09-20 10:10                                                             ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-20 11:00                                                               ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-20 11:08                                                                 ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-20 11:49                                                                   ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-12 12:36                                                 ` James Bottomley
2018-09-12 13:38                                                   ` Guenter Roeck
2018-09-12 13:59                                                     ` Tony Lindgren
2018-09-12 10:04                                             ` Mark Brown
2018-09-12 20:24                                           ` Steven Rostedt
2018-09-12 20:29                                             ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-13  0:19                                             ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-09-13 11:39                                               ` Mark Brown
2018-09-19  6:27                                                 ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-09-19 17:24                                                   ` Mark Brown
2018-09-19 21:42                                                     ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-09-11  0:49                           ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-09-11  1:01                             ` Al Viro
2018-09-11  0:47                         ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-09-11 17:35                           ` Linus Torvalds
2018-09-11  0:43                       ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-09-11 16:49                         ` Guenter Roeck
2018-09-11 17:47                           ` Guenter Roeck
2018-09-11 11:18                       ` Mark Brown
2018-09-11 17:02                         ` Guenter Roeck
2018-09-11 17:12                           ` Jani Nikula
2018-09-11 17:31                             ` Mark Brown
2018-09-11 17:41                               ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-11 18:54                                 ` Mark Brown
2018-09-11 18:03                             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-09-11 17:22                           ` James Bottomley
2018-09-11 17:56                             ` Mark Brown
2018-09-11 18:00                               ` James Bottomley
2018-09-11 18:16                                 ` Mark Brown
2018-09-11 18:07                             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-09-12  9:09                             ` Dan Carpenter
2018-09-11 17:26                           ` Mark Brown
2018-09-11 18:45                           ` Steven Rostedt
2018-09-11 18:57                             ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-11 20:15                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-12  9:03                           ` Dan Carpenter
2018-09-10 23:01                     ` Eduardo Valentin
2018-09-10 23:12                       ` Steven Rostedt
2018-09-10 23:32                         ` Eduardo Valentin
2018-09-10 23:38                           ` Guenter Roeck
2018-09-10 23:38                     ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-07  2:33           ` Steven Rostedt
2018-09-07  2:52           ` Guenter Roeck
2018-09-07 14:37             ` Laura Abbott
2018-09-07 15:06               ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-07 15:54                 ` Laura Abbott
2018-09-07 16:09                   ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-07 20:23                     ` Greg KH
2018-09-07 21:13                       ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-07 22:27                         ` Linus Torvalds
2018-09-07 22:43                           ` Guenter Roeck
2018-09-07 22:53                             ` Linus Torvalds
2018-09-07 22:57                               ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-07 23:52                                 ` Guenter Roeck
2018-09-08 16:33                                 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-09-08 18:35                                   ` Guenter Roeck
2018-09-10 13:47                                     ` Mark Brown
2018-09-09  4:36                                   ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-10 16:20                             ` Dan Rue
2018-09-07 21:32                 ` Dan Carpenter
2018-09-07 21:43                   ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-08 13:20                     ` Dan Carpenter
2018-09-10  8:23                     ` Jan Kara
2018-09-10  7:53                   ` Jan Kara
2018-09-07  3:38           ` Al Viro
2018-09-07  4:27           ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-09-07  5:45             ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-09-07  9:13             ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-07 11:32               ` Mark Brown
2018-09-07 21:06               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-09-08  9:44                 ` Laurent Pinchart [this message]
2018-09-08 11:48                   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-09-09 14:26                     ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-10 22:14                       ` Eduardo Valentin
2018-09-07 14:56             ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-07 15:07               ` Jens Axboe
2018-09-07 20:58                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab

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