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From: Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>
To: "Artem S. Tashkinov" <aros@gmx.com>
Cc: Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>,
	Thorsten Leemhuis <linux@leemhuis.info>,
	 Konstantin Ryabitsev <konstantin@linuxfoundation.org>,
	workflows@vger.kernel.org,  LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	 Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	 "regressions@lists.linux.dev" <regressions@lists.linux.dev>,
	ksummit@lists.linux.dev
Subject: Re: Planned changes for bugzilla.kernel.org to reduce the "Bugzilla blues"
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2022 10:53:07 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAMuHMdVuEnfOkbw2zYXBS+WSZbrkajAPFoYVGFAZBuXK+ac8oA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <56a04cae-7240-9005-4931-5b3e9f598ffb@gmx.com>

Hi Artem,

On Sun, Oct 2, 2022 at 10:23 AM Artem S. Tashkinov <aros@gmx.com> wrote:
> On 10/2/22 07:37, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> > On Sat, 01 Oct 2022 12:30:22 +0200,
> > Artem S. Tashkinov wrote:
> >> Here's another one which is outright puzzling:
> >>
> >> You run: dmesg -t --level=emerg,crit,err
> >>
> >> And you see some non-descript errors of some kernel subsystems seemingly
> >> failing or being unhappy about your hardware. Errors are as cryptic as
> >> humanly possible, you don't even know what part of kernel has produced them.
> >>
> >> OK, as a "power" user I download the kernel source, run `grep -R message
> >> /tmp/linux-5.19` and there are _multiple_ different modules and places
> >> which contain this message.
> >>
> >> I'm lost. Send this to LKML? Did that in the long past, no one cared, I
> >> stopped.
> >>
> >> Here's what I'm getting with Linux 5.19.12:
> >>
> >> platform wdat_wdt: failed to claim resource 5: [mem
> >> 0x00000000-0xffffffff7fffffff]
> >> ACPI: watchdog: Device creation failed: -16
> >> ACPI BIOS Error (bug): Could not resolve symbol
> >> [\_SB.PCI0.XHC.RHUB.TPLD], AE_NOT_FOUND (20220331/psargs-330)
> >> ACPI Error: Aborting method \_SB.UBTC.CR01._PLD due to previous error
> >> (AE_NOT_FOUND) (20220331/psparse-529)
> >> platform MSFT0101:00: failed to claim resource 1: [mem
> >> 0xfed40000-0xfed40fff]
> >> acpi MSFT0101:00: platform device creation failed: -16
> >> lis3lv02d: unknown sensor type 0x0
> >>
> >> Are they serious? Should they be reported or not? Is my laptop properly
> >> working? I have no clue at all.
> >
> > That's a dilemma.  The kernel can't know whether it's "properly"
> > working, either -- that is, whether the lack of some functions matters
> > for you or not.  In your case above, it's about a watchdog, something
> > related with USB, TPM, and acceleration sensor, all of which likely
> > come from a buggy BIOS.  Would you mind if those features are missing?
> > Or even whether your device has a correct hardware implementation?
> > Kernel doesn't know, hence it complains as an error.
> >
> > In many drivers, there are mechanisms to shut off superfluous error
> > messages for known devices.  So it's case-by-case solutions.
> >
> > Or you can completely hide those errors at boot by a boot option
> > (e.g. loglevel=2).
>
> The problem is some of such messages are indeed indicative of certain
> real issues which result in HW not working properly, including:
>
> 1) missing/incorrect firmware
> 2) most importantly: not enabled power saving modes
> 3) not enabled high performance modes
> 4) not enabled devices
> 5) not enabled devices' functions
> 6) drivers conflicts (i.e. the wrong module gets loaded for the device)
> 7) physically failing hardware
>
> I'm quite sure you don't really know what half of those messages
> actually mean.
>
> Speaking of 7. Various kernel subsystems/drivers deal with e.g. mass
> storage which is known to fail quite often. There's not a single driver
> in the kernel which is actually brave enough to spew something like this:
>
> "/dev/xxxx might be failing, please RMA or seek help online"
>
> instead you get a dmesg choke full of "unable to read sector XXX" or
> something like that.
>
> To return to the previous errors: it's impossible for the user to assess
> their severity and that sucks. What is "platform device creation
> failed"? What is "unknown sensor type"? What am I missing? Who's
> responsible? The kernel? My HW vendor? Are those errors actionable? In
> my understanding a properly working computer must not produce
> "emerg,crit,err" errors. I'm not even talking about "warn,info" and such.

I am afraid that for most of the above, the kernel cannot know the
answer.  Hence more investigation/debugging is needed.

Gr{oetje,eeting}s,

                        Geert

--
Geert Uytterhoeven -- There's lots of Linux beyond ia32 -- geert@linux-m68k.org

In personal conversations with technical people, I call myself a hacker. But
when I'm talking to journalists I just say "programmer" or something like that.
                                -- Linus Torvalds

  reply	other threads:[~2022-10-02  8:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 155+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <aa876027-1038-3e4a-b16a-c144f674c0b0@leemhuis.info>
2022-09-29 11:33 ` Planned changes for bugzilla.kernel.org to reduce the "Bugzilla blues" Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-09-29 12:22   ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-09-29 12:52     ` Greg KH
2022-09-29 13:09       ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-09-29 13:21         ` Greg KH
2022-09-29 13:23         ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2022-09-29 13:04     ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2022-09-29 13:31       ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-09-29 13:43         ` Greg KH
2022-09-29 13:53         ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2022-09-29 14:22           ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-09-29 14:54             ` Slade Watkins
2022-09-29 16:42               ` Laurent Pinchart
2022-09-29 19:00                 ` Slade Watkins
2022-09-30  9:35                 ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-09-30 13:23                   ` Laurent Pinchart
2022-09-30 16:19                     ` Bird, Tim
2022-09-30 16:34                       ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-09-30 16:47                         ` Laurent Pinchart
2022-10-01  1:18                           ` Theodore Ts'o
2022-10-01  2:47                             ` Slade Watkins
2022-10-01  7:57                             ` Bagas Sanjaya
2022-10-01 13:01                               ` Theodore Ts'o
2022-10-03  6:55                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-09-30 17:36                         ` Slade Watkins
2022-09-30 16:36                       ` Laurent Pinchart
2022-09-30 17:28                       ` Luck, Tony
2022-09-30 17:49                         ` Slade Watkins
2022-09-30 20:04                         ` Randy Dunlap
2022-09-30 20:29                           ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-09-29 15:31             ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2022-09-29 15:39               ` Slade Watkins
2022-09-29 16:06               ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-09-29 20:26                 ` Slade Watkins
2022-09-30  8:47       ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-09-30  9:03         ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-09-30 10:37           ` Slade Watkins
2022-09-30 15:32           ` Laurent Pinchart
2022-10-03 11:44             ` Jani Nikula
2022-09-29 15:26     ` James Bottomley
2022-09-30  8:52       ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-09-29 13:47   ` Steven Rostedt
2022-09-29 14:02     ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-09-29 14:12       ` Steven Rostedt
2022-10-01 10:30   ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-01 10:39     ` Greg KH
2022-10-01 10:47       ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-01 10:57         ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-10-01 11:21           ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-01 11:34             ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-10-01 13:07               ` Theodore Ts'o
2022-10-01 14:58                 ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02 12:18                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2022-10-02 12:49                     ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02 14:35                       ` Greg KH
2022-10-02 19:27                         ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02 20:46                           ` Linus Torvalds
2022-10-02 20:56                             ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02 21:07                               ` Linus Torvalds
2022-10-02 21:27                                 ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02 21:40                                   ` Willy Tarreau
2022-10-02 21:57                                     ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02 14:48                       ` Slade Watkins
2022-10-02 19:37                         ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02 21:11                           ` Laurent Pinchart
2022-10-02 21:38                             ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02 15:05                       ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2022-10-02 19:43                         ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02 20:54                           ` Willy Tarreau
2022-10-02 21:07                             ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02 21:32                               ` Willy Tarreau
2022-10-02 21:53                                 ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-03  6:37                                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-10-03  7:49                                     ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-03 10:04                                       ` Willy Tarreau
2022-10-02 15:56                       ` Al Viro
2022-10-02 17:22                         ` Slade Watkins
2022-10-02 16:08                       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-10-02 16:10                         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-10-02 16:32                         ` Joe Perches
2022-10-02 18:56                           ` Joe Perches
2022-10-02 19:46                         ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02 17:57                       ` Willy Tarreau
2022-10-02 19:55                         ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02 20:40                           ` Willy Tarreau
2022-10-02 18:13                       ` Steven Rostedt
2022-10-02 20:14                         ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02 22:08                           ` Steven Rostedt
2022-10-02 22:20                             ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02 22:28                               ` Steven Rostedt
2022-10-02 23:04                               ` Al Viro
2022-10-02 23:21                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2022-10-03  7:41                                 ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-03  8:55                                   ` Mike Rapoport
2022-10-03  9:15                                     ` David Laight
2022-10-03  9:16                                     ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-03  9:26                                       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-10-03  9:40                                         ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-03 10:26                                           ` Mike Rapoport
2022-10-03 14:20                                           ` Steven Rostedt
2022-10-03 18:24                                             ` Al Viro
2022-10-03 19:07                                               ` Steven Rostedt
2022-10-03 20:28                                                 ` Slade Watkins
2022-10-04 12:16                                             ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-04 12:32                                               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-10-04 22:45                                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2022-10-03 14:22                                       ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2022-10-04 12:21                                         ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-04 14:20                                           ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2022-10-03 15:37                                     ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2022-10-04  7:37                                       ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-10-04  7:56                                         ` Conor Dooley
2022-10-04 12:24                                       ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-04 14:48                                         ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2022-10-02 20:41                         ` Slade Watkins
2022-10-02 20:52                           ` Slade Watkins
2022-10-02 21:06                         ` Laurent Pinchart
2022-10-02 22:18                           ` Steven Rostedt
2022-10-02 22:41                             ` Laurent Pinchart
2022-10-02 23:59                             ` Slade Watkins
2022-10-02 18:17                       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-10-02 20:17                         ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02 20:48                           ` Willy Tarreau
2022-10-02 19:59                       ` Laurent Pinchart
2022-10-02 20:19                         ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02 20:26                           ` Laurent Pinchart
2022-10-02 13:25                     ` Slade Watkins
2022-10-02  9:03             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-10-02  9:06               ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02  9:25                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-10-02  7:37     ` Takashi Iwai
2022-10-02  8:23       ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02  8:53         ` Geert Uytterhoeven [this message]
2022-10-02  9:14         ` Takashi Iwai
2022-10-03 10:10   ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-10-03 11:18     ` Slade Watkins
2022-10-03 12:59       ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-10-03 15:26         ` Steven Rostedt
2022-10-03 15:44           ` Laurent Pinchart
2022-10-03 15:51             ` Steven Rostedt
2022-10-03 15:59               ` Laurent Pinchart
2022-10-03 16:03                 ` Steven Rostedt
2022-10-04  8:41           ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-10-04  9:20             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-10-04 10:16               ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-10-04 10:45                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
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     [not found]   ` <Yzx1T05Ut0of55KY@kroah.com>
2022-10-04 18:13     ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
     [not found]   ` <87fsg3s8co.fsf@intel.com>
2022-10-04 19:24     ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
     [not found]   ` <c74d9d75-4428-e22d-1adb-334b1173d871@leemhuis.info>
2022-10-04 20:25     ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2022-10-05  9:00       ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-10-05  9:57         ` Hans de Goede
2022-10-12 16:12           ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-10-17 13:57   ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-10-17 20:47     ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2022-10-18 16:24       ` Rafael J. Wysocki

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