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From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
To: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
Cc: ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] Patch version changes in commit logs?
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 17:30:06 +0200 (CEST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.21.1907021719320.1802@nanos.tec.linutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1562080257.3321.19.camel@HansenPartnership.com>

On Tue, 2 Jul 2019, James Bottomley wrote:
> On Tue, 2019-07-02 at 16:49 +0200, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> > On Tue, 2 Jul 2019, James Bottomley wrote:
> > > On Mon, 2019-07-01 at 19:54 +0200, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> > > > The link to V2 is in both cases in the cover letter. That's
> > > > sufficient. Yes, it might not be necessary, but I just recently
> > > > ended up wasting an hour finding an earlier version because the
> > > > cover letter subject changed slightly. I surely have better
> > > > things to do.
> > > 
> > > I'm not arguing against changelogs in the patches themselves as
> > > long as they're below the commit message --- cutoff.  In fact I
> > > think that's best practice for reviewers.  I'm just arguing making
> > > a link tag mandatory would impose an enforcement burden on a lot of
> > > subsystems which would provide no benefit to them), so I don't mind
> > > it's being optional but it shouldn't be mandatory.
> > 
> > What's the burden exactly?
> 
> Not everyone knows what a message ID is or how to find it, so we'd have
> to explain why the patch was rejected (or simply have the maintainer
> add it at commit time, which currently involves some effort).  Quite a
> few of the list archives mangle it so someone would have to notice this
> or unmangle it.
> 
> > You mean that people would have to add them manually?
> 
> Most email tools don't show you the msgid, so if you're simply doing
> driveby commits now we have to explain to you how to find it ...
> remember linux-scsi isn't currently on lore so we can't just say "use
> the lore archive".

The submitter has not to do anything for a drive by patch. The maintainer
who grabs it from the list adds the tags (with tools).

> There's also a knock on: for this to be useful, the commit series needs
> to be threaded.  I've actually no objection to making this one
> mandatory I'm just noting it's another precursor we need to think
> about.
> 
> > People who use the link tag today have their homebrewn scripts to add
> > them automatically and it shouldn't be rocket science to add that to
> > git, patchwork whatever.
> 
> So if we find a way of automating this globally, I'm completely happy. 
> However, I would also note that whatever script does this could likely
> also be run by you after the fact to generate the back link, so
> foolproof automation also lessens the need to make this a mandatory
> commit tag.

That's what I'm doing today. My mbox to quilt converter inserts the Link
tag.

So let's take a step back.

1) Link tag in the commit itself.

   That's added by the person who applies a patch from mail,
   i.e. maintainer.

   That needs tooling support in git, patchwork etc. which should be a
   solvable problem.

2) Link to a previous version of patch series in the cover letter

   Lot of people provide already links in their cover letter. Many of them
   unfortunately use lkml.org which is a pain, but it's better than
   nothing.

   Ideally we can bring people to use the MSG id based links because they
   do not depend on any particular archive.

   That needs a bit more education. Proper documentation should solve that
   over time. If people use lkml.org for the link until they figure out
   what a message id is, fine.

Thanks,

	tglx

  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-07-02 15:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 106+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-06-28 20:11 [Ksummit-discuss] [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] Patch version changes in commit logs? Shuah Khan
2019-06-28 20:51 ` Luck, Tony
2019-06-28 21:05   ` Kees Cook
2019-06-28 21:07   ` Shuah Khan
2019-06-28 21:13     ` James Bottomley
2019-06-28 21:42       ` Shuah Khan
2019-06-28 21:07   ` Wolfram Sang
2019-06-29  6:19   ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-06-29  9:10     ` Christian Brauner
2019-06-29 13:43     ` Andrea Parri
2019-06-29 15:16       ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-06-30 16:31         ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2019-07-01  7:20           ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-07-01  7:49             ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-07-01  7:53               ` Takashi Iwai
2019-07-17  9:23                 ` Dan Carpenter
2019-07-17  9:27                   ` Dan Carpenter
2019-07-17  9:28                   ` Greg KH
2019-07-17 16:09                     ` Linus Walleij
2019-07-17 20:44                       ` Greg KH
2019-07-18  9:09                       ` Linus Walleij
2019-07-22 17:02                       ` Kees Cook
2019-07-22 17:12                         ` Joe Perches
2019-07-01 17:27               ` Steven Rostedt
2019-07-01 17:55                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-07-01  9:48           ` Andrea Parri
2019-07-01  9:51             ` Andrea Parri
2019-07-02  4:40     ` Leon Romanovsky
2019-07-02  7:27       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2019-07-02  9:48         ` Leon Romanovsky
2019-06-29  6:57   ` Takashi Iwai
2019-06-29  7:09     ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-06-29  7:18       ` Takashi Iwai
2019-06-29 11:20         ` Mark Brown
2019-06-30 16:01           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-07-01  1:35             ` Andrew Donnellan
2019-07-01 11:10               ` Mark Brown
2019-08-08  5:24               ` Andrew Donnellan
2019-07-01  9:05       ` Jiri Kosina
2019-07-01  9:15         ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-07-04 12:15       ` Michael Ellerman
2019-07-04 13:24         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2019-07-04 14:16           ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-07-05  3:37             ` Michael Ellerman
2019-07-05  4:10               ` Michael Ellerman
2019-07-05  6:28                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-07-05  8:24                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2019-07-04 14:22         ` James Bottomley
2019-07-05  3:24           ` Michael Ellerman
2019-07-06 14:02             ` Alexandre Belloni
2019-07-06 14:57               ` James Bottomley
2019-07-05  3:40           ` Michael Ellerman
2019-07-05  8:40           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2019-06-28 21:07 ` James Bottomley
2019-07-01 15:06 ` David Howells
2019-07-01 15:40   ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-07-01 15:48     ` Laurent Pinchart
2019-07-01 15:50     ` James Bottomley
2019-07-01 17:54       ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-07-02 14:20         ` James Bottomley
2019-07-02 14:49           ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-07-02 15:10             ` James Bottomley
2019-07-02 15:18               ` James Bottomley
2019-07-02 15:39                 ` Shuah Khan
2019-07-02 15:51                   ` James Bottomley
2019-07-02 16:30                     ` Kees Cook
2019-07-02 21:16                       ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2019-07-02 21:33                       ` James Bottomley
2019-07-02 22:07                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-07-02 22:26                           ` James Bottomley
2019-07-02 22:43                             ` Theodore Ts'o
2019-07-02 22:49                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-07-03 23:52                                 ` Ralf Ramsauer
2019-07-02 22:53                               ` James Bottomley
2019-07-02 23:12                                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-07-02 23:04                               ` Kees Cook
2019-07-02 23:18                                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2019-07-02 23:31                                   ` Kees Cook
2019-07-02 23:33                                   ` James Bottomley
2019-07-03  4:16                                     ` Theodore Ts'o
2019-07-03  4:50                                       ` James Bottomley
2019-07-03 14:42                                         ` Kees Cook
2019-07-02 23:41                                   ` Kees Cook
2019-07-03  7:51                                     ` Greg KH
2019-07-03  8:56                               ` Laurent Pinchart
2019-07-03  9:12                                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-07-03 12:39                                   ` Leon Romanovsky
2019-07-03 22:53                                     ` Laurent Pinchart
2019-07-03 13:50                                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2019-07-03 14:10                                   ` Jan Kara
2019-07-03 17:05                                     ` Mark Brown
2019-07-03 19:11                                   ` Frank Rowand
2019-07-05  9:26                                   ` Linus Walleij
2019-07-05 19:34                                     ` Mike Rapoport
2019-07-06  4:42                                     ` Theodore Ts'o
2019-07-07 21:56                                       ` Frank Rowand
2019-07-03 23:03                                 ` James Bottomley
2019-07-04  7:10                                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2019-07-05  9:03                                 ` Linus Walleij
2019-07-02 22:48                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-07-02 23:05                               ` James Bottomley
2019-07-02 19:03                     ` Shuah Khan
2019-07-02 15:30               ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2019-07-02 15:40                 ` James Bottomley
2019-07-02 15:49                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-07-02 20:44               ` Jiri Kosina

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