From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11DA7C4167B for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2023 17:40:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S229600AbjKCRke (ORCPT ); Fri, 3 Nov 2023 13:40:34 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:35114 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S229450AbjKCRkd (ORCPT ); Fri, 3 Nov 2023 13:40:33 -0400 Received: from mout.web.de (mout.web.de [212.227.15.3]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EB146D4D; Fri, 3 Nov 2023 10:40:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=web.de; s=s29768273; t=1699033220; x=1699638020; i=frank.scheiner@web.de; bh=D1Ff6zuwtY98nJgeBbrqLgsy5DKYVpDPHNBFpmWdWPs=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:References: In-Reply-To; b=KolMr2RrB0nqjWiWmQFiaqd883LRtbgABaHxnUiibfIMQ02t0eLj83+oolt7UR3+ sxTQsMd3YccO2b46Jk78FOVQ7IdQaqcbGy2rJVOudP/DxEzSb66Fo9SDL37z71Mto p4+N5smPOwIIK9OOJ8CKTWNCDCxnpm1ET1dhkeIF0KEwXQIHKzAA3Qnti3I8YlXLD gyEYCeIlFHVbkWTMpIM9xpY+q9oz083ymFDhl/3N4qvGENT8O7YE+P9PBRhAvrqkM 2bQnox/aunYd+vzRNYH0s2Q51KMmFmAk1PSkUkucsaNB0QRfbR213RO0TYQvYtj7y muzgTdqkxlRutbv82Q== X-UI-Sender-Class: 814a7b36-bfc1-4dae-8640-3722d8ec6cd6 Received: from [192.168.178.30] ([84.152.247.25]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb005 [213.165.67.108]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MCogm-1r7jb20LBY-009ArV; Fri, 03 Nov 2023 18:40:20 +0100 Message-ID: <6e745433-d7eb-45df-b607-5589f1e04e86@web.de> Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2023 18:40:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird From: Frank Scheiner Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] asm-generic updates for v6.7 To: Linus Torvalds Cc: Arnd Bergmann , =?UTF-8?B?VG9tw6HFoSBHbG96YXI=?= , linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Linux-Arch , Ard Biesheuvel References: <340fc037-c18f-417f-8aaa-9cf88c9052f4@app.fastmail.com> <8ff191a0-41fa-4f36-86e8-3d32ff3fe75c@web.de> Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:GZLXJonp3/Hn/EMdh3oIDngRhT+fIAlI6by69124eDw2KgQZdjB TQZG0qhKzbqBBg8EuK5WfpbPs8P6NULdXxlK8l7Hvk5p+DcEj/8MAH5T8WoIEzseuoMinlG y0OIDBrfhTcgem45x2lv+O0wr9cwGuHmyUNd4deY6Y/3SL/ZnvJ+PgTtq3TEQ4k1ICx9xIw ftp/HvEN4fD6i0z8T3lJQ== UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:Grrv3FJ4CII=;AFX2EHWMSQ1YGNT3TJPPa6KZdxg OCSb9XmRrjtAMOYDqY0Vnc40WiJ/PuOZc+6ZZALmXym+8uGA0sUWuyp8WwR4jTNbXaql1KS8t tfTQTZrke5/VrFLTRjfz7shfT79/rssSnxP8BCdoObdCk9etlNYPViqRzN4EJKYqLyUaSFj7f 4N2Wwtx2LVPbcxXB+gjtJKcDByzkVFaLzvw1aA5wshuqw5rRMQtyebeL1L67/v9QwEKY3emBa IEvnwPERBn5+QuMl3vOZI+hEr1KovKk+xKsaU7EU5C1a6pLTfEYeoTmwbCJcPNIPJiJRoBRxq fAyBZteRmLTwIrHRoXexMpmGI5PXBJ2eB7nMX8+LVjNwqmKiJFewOVfwlwDhf8UyeaRz41Gpv 9JRv7mepKeuOzVdxEqF53xtH8wEssD56MPCCrpXekwAjL+1x8WFHYabJ4ZRjpdH4tJ94Uk1f1 cqjg1W/iDOCAIjIpakV6FBChx8/kW+O9rgTI4mM2URjUhZYlZpKiwQXaaVxq0MaKrcy2ZMUjv bu9whMh31dtXmnZHXiCw/6Uuj4vH2GVhj8sKy7AZLFk+VxuIzAOp9YLlVgPrR23v48ZdmL/zD Lfh6eheKvzMGC9Mv10pWlHtPgip2VvKfaRwWHH4tGsb0a/E9Avek/TRBhXz9DdS/yjEUaMgDF EJuEC3cfOLGd3Xta2GWu8OvZ4+RoQ4xR6CBAqZvo2tmcDwjsyL6LIKN+FRGhsiGW6OC3PwdfS MJtE82fow0J5xgzXs9+d1A4pIOkS0gl2Q/ddz+A08ct6D+/Zcleu9c/D4JDE9g1GCkcxn6OzQ YBqRvIlHiFiZT7bZYIrEhgl2lHeseuu7v9jIpqJFxTDoerHh+kdPH83Os6ov3oBbswH+SNGB0 j+HTU6InCVNrPkd+yGXcHjjNwMkgL5AJSHFUyR7Q2gUyQh9h1Psbft1oP3UzpCuia4dM1fakH Re7jCQ== Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org On 02.11.23 18:28, Linus Torvalds wrote: > On Thu, 2 Nov 2023 at 00:24, Frank Scheiner wrot= e: >> >> so the ia64 removal happened despite the efforts - not only from us - t= o >> keep it alive in Linux. That is a - sad - fact now. > > Well, I'd have personally been willing to resurrect it, but I was told > several times that other projects were basically just waiting for the > kernel support to die. > > Has the itanium situation really changed? Well, we definitely made some progress in this regard. But as you wrote, this was not a pressing issue as long as ia64 stayed in the kernel. Which is why I wanted to concentrate on kernel support first and foremost. My thinking was that a working architecture wouldn't be dropped*. And with kernel support saved, we could have gone full steam ahead into the other projects. Well, we did proceed with tackling the problems in the other projects anyhow from the start, but now the situation is a little different. *) https://lore.kernel.org/linux-ia64/CAHk-=3DwjEmZ19T4XpVb0_Hacm53xJG_w5ygcu= orwC0xBoT-myUA@mail.gmail.com/ > So I'd be willing to come back to the "can we resurrect it" > discussion, but not immediately - more along the lines of a "look, > we've been maintaining it out of tree for a year, the other > infrastructure is still alive, there is no impact on the rest of the > kernel, can we please try again"? That is really something. We'll see where this goes. I always hope for the best. (-: If you feel like checking on our status, you know where to look (see my email to you from 2023-09-23). Cheers, Frank