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From: Luis Chamberlain <mcgrof@kernel.org>
To: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>, Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>
Cc: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Christoph Lameter <christoph@lameter.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	Daniel Gomez <da.gomez@samsung.com>,
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	Linux FS Devel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/8] add mTHP support for anonymous shmem
Date: Fri, 10 May 2024 11:53:51 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Zj5tP7k1muaCDtO_@bombadil.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <23ea6dbd-1d4e-4aeb-900b-646db880cfb6@redhat.com>

On Thu, May 09, 2024 at 07:48:46PM +0200, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> On 08.05.24 21:23, Luis Chamberlain wrote:
> >  From my perspective the more shared code the better, and the more shared
> > paths the better. There is a chance to help test swap with large folios
> > instead of splitting the folios for swap, and that would could be done
> > first with tmpfs. I have not evaluated the difference in testing or how
> > we could get the most of shared code if we take a mTHP approach or the
> > iomap approach for tmpfs, that should be considered.
> 
> I don't have a clear picture yet of what might be best for ordinary shmem
> (IOW, not MAP_SHARED|MAP_PRIVATE), and I'm afraid there is no easy answer.

OK so it sounds like the different options needs to be thought out and
reviewed.

> As long as we don't end up wasting memory, it's not obviously bad.

Sure.

> But some
> things might be tricky (see my example about large folios stranding in shmem
> and never being able to be really reclaimed+reused for better purposes)

Where is that stated BTW? Could that be resolved?

> I'll note that mTHP really is just (supposed to be) a user interface to
> enable the various folio sizes (well, and to expose better per-size stats),
> not more.

Sure but given filesystems using large folios don't have silly APIs for
using which large folios to enable, it just seems odd for tmpfs to take
a different approach.

> From that point of view, it's just a filter. Enable all, and you get the
> same behavior as you likely would in the pagecache mode.

Which begs the quesiton, *why* have an API to just constrain to certain
large folios, which diverges from what filesystems are doing with large
folios?

> > Are there other things to consider? Does this require some dialog at
> > LSFMM?
> 
> As raised in my reply to Daniel, I'll be at LSF/MM and happy to discuss. I'm
> also not a SHMEM expert, so I'm hoping at some point we'd get feedback from
> Hugh.

Hugh, will you be at LSFMM?

  Luis


      reply	other threads:[~2024-05-10 18:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-05-06  8:46 [PATCH 0/8] add mTHP support for anonymous shmem Baolin Wang
2024-05-06  8:46 ` [PATCH 1/8] mm: move highest_order() and next_order() out of the THP config Baolin Wang
2024-05-07 10:21   ` Ryan Roberts
2024-05-08  2:13     ` Baolin Wang
2024-05-08  9:06       ` Ryan Roberts
2024-05-08  9:40         ` Baolin Wang
2024-05-06  8:46 ` [PATCH 2/8] mm: memory: extend finish_fault() to support large folio Baolin Wang
2024-05-07 10:37   ` Ryan Roberts
2024-05-08  3:44     ` Baolin Wang
2024-05-08  7:15       ` David Hildenbrand
2024-05-08  9:06         ` Baolin Wang
2024-05-08  8:53       ` Ryan Roberts
2024-05-08  9:31         ` Baolin Wang
2024-05-08 10:47           ` Ryan Roberts
2024-05-09  1:10             ` Baolin Wang
2024-05-06  8:46 ` [PATCH 3/8] mm: shmem: add an 'order' parameter for shmem_alloc_hugefolio() Baolin Wang
2024-05-06  8:46 ` [PATCH 4/8] mm: shmem: add THP validation for PMD-mapped THP related statistics Baolin Wang
2024-05-06  8:46 ` [PATCH 5/8] mm: shmem: add multi-size THP sysfs interface for anonymous shmem Baolin Wang
2024-05-07 10:52   ` Ryan Roberts
2024-05-08  4:45     ` Baolin Wang
2024-05-08  7:08       ` David Hildenbrand
2024-05-08  7:12         ` David Hildenbrand
2024-05-08  9:02           ` Ryan Roberts
2024-05-08  9:56             ` Baolin Wang
2024-05-08 10:48               ` Ryan Roberts
2024-05-08 12:02             ` David Hildenbrand
2024-05-08 12:10               ` David Hildenbrand
2024-05-08 12:43                 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-05-08 12:44                   ` Ryan Roberts
2024-05-08 12:45                   ` David Hildenbrand
2024-05-08 12:54                     ` Ryan Roberts
2024-05-08 13:07                       ` David Hildenbrand
2024-05-08 13:44                         ` Ryan Roberts
2024-05-06  8:46 ` [PATCH 6/8] mm: shmem: add mTHP support " Baolin Wang
2024-05-07 10:46   ` kernel test robot
2024-05-08  6:03     ` Baolin Wang
2024-05-06  8:46 ` [PATCH 7/8] mm: shmem: add mTHP size alignment in shmem_get_unmapped_area Baolin Wang
2024-05-06  8:46 ` [PATCH 8/8] mm: shmem: add mTHP counters for anonymous shmem Baolin Wang
2024-05-06 10:54 ` [PATCH 0/8] add mTHP support " Lance Yang
2024-05-07  1:47   ` Baolin Wang
2024-05-07  6:50     ` Lance Yang
2024-05-07 10:20 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-05-08  5:45   ` Baolin Wang
     [not found] ` <CGME20240508113934eucas1p13a3972f3f9955365f40155e084a7c7d5@eucas1p1.samsung.com>
2024-05-08 11:39   ` Daniel Gomez
2024-05-08 11:58     ` David Hildenbrand
2024-05-08 14:28       ` Daniel Gomez
2024-05-08 17:03         ` David Hildenbrand
2024-05-09 19:18           ` Daniel Gomez
2024-05-09  3:08         ` Baolin Wang
2024-05-08 19:23       ` Luis Chamberlain
2024-05-09 17:48         ` David Hildenbrand
2024-05-10 18:53           ` Luis Chamberlain [this message]

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