From: Casey Schaufler <casey@schaufler-ca.com>
To: Roberto Sassu <roberto.sassu@huaweicloud.com>,
Paul Moore <paul@paul-moore.com>,
Mimi Zohar <zohar@linux.ibm.com>
Cc: linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org, jmorris@namei.org,
serge@hallyn.com, keescook@chromium.org,
john.johansen@canonical.com, penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp,
stephen.smalley.work@gmail.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-api@vger.kernel.org, mic@digikod.net,
linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org,
Casey Schaufler <casey@schaufler-ca.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v15 00/11] LSM: Three basic syscalls
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2023 09:36:13 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5c942750-3383-47bc-8326-3ed173ebfe8f@schaufler-ca.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e12f63037405f41a1be979b1424d1404d3139a4d.camel@huaweicloud.com>
On 10/19/2023 12:45 AM, Roberto Sassu wrote:
> On Wed, 2023-10-18 at 16:40 -0400, Paul Moore wrote:
>> On Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 4:23 PM Mimi Zohar <zohar@linux.ibm.com> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 2023-10-18 at 12:35 -0400, Paul Moore wrote:
>>>> On Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 10:15 AM Roberto Sassu
>>>> <roberto.sassu@huaweicloud.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 10/18/2023 3:09 PM, Mimi Zohar wrote:
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>>> I agree with Roberto. All three should be defined: LSM_ID_INTEGRITY,
>>>>>> LSM_ID_IMA, LSM_ID_EVM.
>>>>> I did not try yet, but the 'integrity' LSM does not need an LSM ID. With
>>>>> the last version adding hooks to 'ima' or 'evm', it should be sufficient
>>>>> to keep DEFINE_LSM(integrity) with the request to store a pointer in the
>>>>> security blob (even the init function can be a dummy function).
>>>> First off, this *really* should have been brought up way, way, *way*
>>>> before now. This patchset has been discussed for months, and bringing
>>>> up concerns in the eleventh hour is borderline rude.
>>> As everyone knows IMA and EVM are not LSMs at this point.
>> Considering all the work Roberto has been doing to make that happen,
>> not to mention the discussions we've had on this topic, that's an
>> awfully small technicality to use as the basis of an argument.
> Sorry Paul, but I've been working on this patch set for a long time and
> you were also involved in the prerequisites (like making the
> 'integrity' LSM as the last).
>
> I thought it was clear at this point that we were going to add the
> hooks to the 'integrity' LSM.
There's a chicken/egg issue here. You can hold up the syscalls patch
forever if you insist on it accommodating every patch set that's in the
pipeline. I understand that you've been working on the integrity rework
for some time. I understand that it's frustrating when things change out
from under you. Believe me, I do.
>
> I really have no problem to rebase my work on top of other work, but I
> was very surprised to see LSM_ID_IMA instead of LSM_ID_INTEGRITY, and
> at minimum this should have been agreed with Mimi. And also, I was not
> convinced with the argument that LSM_ID_IMA should represent IMA+EVM.
>
> Roberto
>
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2023-09-12 20:56 ` [PATCH v15 00/11] LSM: Three basic syscalls Casey Schaufler
2023-09-12 20:56 ` [PATCH v15 01/11] LSM: Identify modules by more than name Casey Schaufler
2023-09-15 11:32 ` Tetsuo Handa
2023-09-15 17:53 ` Casey Schaufler
2023-09-16 6:32 ` Tetsuo Handa
2023-09-17 16:38 ` Casey Schaufler
2023-09-20 10:20 ` Tetsuo Handa
2023-09-20 15:08 ` Kees Cook
2023-09-23 4:46 ` Tetsuo Handa
2023-09-24 1:58 ` Kees Cook
2023-09-24 11:06 ` Tetsuo Handa
2023-09-24 19:48 ` Kees Cook
2023-10-05 12:58 ` Tetsuo Handa
2023-10-20 19:52 ` Casey Schaufler
2023-10-21 12:20 ` Tetsuo Handa
2023-10-21 14:11 ` Casey Schaufler
2023-10-29 10:57 ` Tetsuo Handa
2023-10-29 18:00 ` Casey Schaufler
2023-09-12 20:56 ` [PATCH v15 02/11] LSM: Maintain a table of LSM attribute data Casey Schaufler
2023-09-12 20:56 ` [PATCH v15 03/11] proc: Use lsmids instead of lsm names for attrs Casey Schaufler
2023-09-12 20:56 ` [PATCH v15 04/11] LSM: syscalls for current process attributes Casey Schaufler
2023-10-03 14:09 ` Mickaël Salaün
2023-10-06 1:04 ` Paul Moore
2023-10-09 15:36 ` Mickaël Salaün
2023-10-09 16:04 ` Paul Moore
2023-10-10 9:14 ` Mickaël Salaün
2023-10-10 13:10 ` Paul Moore
2023-09-12 20:56 ` [PATCH v15 05/11] LSM: Create lsm_list_modules system call Casey Schaufler
2023-10-03 14:27 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-03-12 10:16 ` Dmitry V. Levin
2024-03-12 13:25 ` Paul Moore
2024-03-12 15:27 ` Casey Schaufler
2024-03-12 17:06 ` Paul Moore
2024-03-12 17:44 ` Casey Schaufler
2024-03-12 18:09 ` Paul Moore
2024-03-12 18:28 ` Dmitry V. Levin
2024-03-12 21:50 ` Kees Cook
2024-03-12 22:06 ` Casey Schaufler
2024-03-12 22:06 ` Paul Moore
2024-03-12 22:17 ` Casey Schaufler
2024-03-12 23:17 ` Paul Moore
2023-09-12 20:56 ` [PATCH v15 06/11] LSM: wireup Linux Security Module syscalls Casey Schaufler
2023-10-03 14:27 ` Mickaël Salaün
2023-09-12 20:56 ` [PATCH v15 07/11] LSM: Helpers for attribute names and filling lsm_ctx Casey Schaufler
2023-10-03 14:28 ` Mickaël Salaün
2023-09-12 20:56 ` [PATCH v15 08/11] Smack: implement setselfattr and getselfattr hooks Casey Schaufler
2023-10-03 14:28 ` Mickaël Salaün
2023-10-20 19:40 ` Casey Schaufler
2023-10-20 19:42 ` Casey Schaufler
2023-09-12 20:56 ` [PATCH v15 09/11] AppArmor: Add selfattr hooks Casey Schaufler
2023-09-12 20:56 ` [PATCH v15 10/11] SELinux: " Casey Schaufler
2023-09-12 20:56 ` [PATCH v15 11/11] LSM: selftests for Linux Security Module syscalls Casey Schaufler
2023-10-03 14:28 ` Mickaël Salaün
2023-10-12 22:07 ` [PATCH v15 00/11] LSM: Three basic syscalls Paul Moore
2023-10-13 21:55 ` Paul Moore
2023-10-16 12:04 ` Roberto Sassu
2023-10-16 15:06 ` Paul Moore
2023-10-17 7:01 ` Roberto Sassu
2023-10-17 15:58 ` Paul Moore
2023-10-17 16:07 ` Roberto Sassu
2023-10-18 9:31 ` Roberto Sassu
2023-10-18 13:09 ` Mimi Zohar
2023-10-18 14:14 ` Roberto Sassu
2023-10-18 16:35 ` Paul Moore
2023-10-18 20:10 ` Mimi Zohar
2023-10-18 20:40 ` Paul Moore
2023-10-19 7:45 ` Roberto Sassu
2023-10-20 16:36 ` Casey Schaufler [this message]
2023-10-19 8:49 ` Roberto Sassu
2023-11-13 4:03 ` Paul Moore
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