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From: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>
To: Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@linaro.org>
Cc: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	Linux PM list <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Srinivas Pandruvada <srinivas.pandruvada@linux.intel.com>,
	Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@arm.com>,
	Steve Muckle <steve.muckle@linaro.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3 v3] cpufreq: governor: Replace timers with utilization update callbacks
Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2016 15:43:20 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1855005.ZFAA5ekheo@vostro.rjw.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160207091040.GA6112@vireshk>

On Sunday, February 07, 2016 02:40:40 PM Viresh Kumar wrote:
> On 06-02-16, 00:10, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> > On Friday, February 05, 2016 08:17:56 PM Viresh Kumar wrote:
> > > Okay, how about this then.
> > > 
> > > We do some computations here and based on them, conditionally want to
> > > update sample_delay_ns. Because there is no penalty now, in terms of
> > > removing/adding timers/wq, etc, why shouldn't we simply update the
> > > sample_delay_ns everytime without any checks? That would mean that the
> > > change of sampling rate is effective immediately, what can be better than that?
> > 
> > Yes, we can do that.
> > 
> > There is a small concern about updating in parallel with dbs_work_handler()
> > in which case we may overwrite the (hopefully already correct) sample_delay_ns
> > value that it has just written, but then it will be corrected next time we
> > take a sample, so it shouldn't be a big deal.
> > 
> > OK, I'll update the patch to do that.
> 
> Great.
> 
> > > Also, we should do the same from update-sampling-rate of conservative
> > > governor as well.
> > 
> > Let's just not change the whole world in one patch, OK?
> 
> Yeah, I wasn't asking to update in the same patch, but just that we
> should do that as well.
> 
> > > I did bit of that this morning, and there weren't any serious issues as
> > > as far as I could see :)
> > 
> > The case I'm mostly concerned about is when update_sampling_rate() looks
> > at a CPU with a policy completely unrelated to the dbs_data it was called
> > for.  In that case the "shared" object may just go away from under it at
> > any time while it is looking at that object in theory.
> 
> Right, a way (ofcourse we should try find something better) is to move
> that update to a separate work item, just as I did it in my patch..

No, it isn't.  Trying to do it asynchronously will only lead to more
concurrency-related issues.

> But, I am quite sure we can get that fixed.

What we need to do, is to make it possible for update_sampling_rate()
to walk all of the cpu_dbs_infos and look at what their policy_dbs
fields point to safely.

After my cleanup patches it does that under dbs_data_mutex and that works,
because this mutex is also held around *any* updates of struct cpu_dbs_info
anywhere.

However, the cpu_dbs_infos themselves are actually static, so they can be
accessed at any time.  It looks like, then, we may just need to add a lock to
each of them to ensure that the policy_dbs thing won't go away suddenly and
we may not need dbs_data_mutex in there any more.

Thanks,
Rafael

  reply	other threads:[~2016-02-07 14:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 134+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-01-29 22:52 [PATCH 0/3] cpufreq: Replace timers with utilization update callbacks Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-01-29 22:53 ` [PATCH 1/3] cpufreq: Add a mechanism for registering " Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-02-04  3:31   ` Viresh Kumar
2016-01-29 22:56 ` [PATCH 2/3] cpufreq: intel_pstate: Replace timers with " Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-01-29 22:59 ` [PATCH 3/3] cpufreq: governor: " Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-02-03  1:16   ` [Update][PATCH " Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-02-04  4:49     ` Viresh Kumar
2016-02-04 10:54       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-02-05  1:28     ` [PATCH 3/3 v3] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-02-05  6:50       ` Viresh Kumar
2016-02-05 13:36         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-02-05 14:47           ` Viresh Kumar
2016-02-05 23:10             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-02-07  9:10               ` Viresh Kumar
2016-02-07 14:43                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki [this message]
2016-02-08  2:08                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-02-08 11:52                     ` Viresh Kumar
2016-02-08 12:52                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-02-08 13:40                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-02-05 23:01           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-02-06  3:40       ` [PATCH 3/3 v4] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-02-07  9:20         ` Viresh Kumar
2016-02-07 14:36           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-02-07 14:50         ` [PATCH 3/3 v5] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-02-07 15:36           ` Viresh Kumar
2016-02-09 10:01           ` Gautham R Shenoy
2016-02-09 18:49             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-02-03 22:20 ` [PATCH 0/3] cpufreq: " Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-02-04  0:08   ` Srinivas Pandruvada
2016-02-04 17:16     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-02-04 10:51   ` Juri Lelli
2016-02-04 17:19     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-02-08 23:06   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-02-09  0:39     ` Steve Muckle
2016-02-09  1:01       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-02-09 20:05         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-02-10  1:02           ` Steve Muckle
2016-02-10  1:57             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-02-10  3:09               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-02-10 19:47                 ` Steve Muckle
2016-02-10 21:49                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-02-10 22:07                     ` Steve Muckle
2016-02-10 22:12                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-02-11 11:59             ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-02-11 12:24               ` Juri Lelli
2016-02-11 15:26                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-02-11 18:23                   ` Vincent Guittot
2016-02-12 14:04                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-02-12 14:48                       ` Vincent Guittot
2016-03-01 13:58                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-01 14:17                           ` Juri Lelli
2016-03-01 14:24                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-01 14:26                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-01 14:42                                 ` Juri Lelli
2016-03-01 15:04                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-01 19:49                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-01 14:58                           ` Vincent Guittot
2016-02-11 17:06               ` Steve Muckle
2016-02-11 17:30                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-02-11 17:34                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-02-11 17:38                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-02-11 18:52                   ` Steve Muckle
2016-02-11 19:04                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-02-12 13:43                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-02-12 14:10                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-02-12 16:01                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-02-12 16:15                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-02-12 16:53                           ` Ashwin Chaugule
2016-02-12 23:14                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-02-12 17:02                         ` Doug Smythies
2016-02-12 23:17                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-02-10 12:33           ` Juri Lelli
2016-02-10 13:23             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-02-10 14:03               ` Juri Lelli
2016-02-10 14:26                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-02-10 14:46                   ` Juri Lelli
2016-02-10 15:46                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-02-10 16:05                       ` Juri Lelli
2016-02-11 11:51           ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-02-11 12:08             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-02-11 15:29               ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-02-11 15:58                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-02-11 20:47               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-02-10 15:17 ` [PATCH v6 " Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-02-10 15:21   ` [PATCH v6 1/3] cpufreq: Add mechanism for registering " Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-02-10 23:01     ` [PATCH v7 " Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-02-11 17:30       ` [PATCH v8 " Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-02-12 13:16         ` [PATCH v9 " Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-02-15 21:47           ` [PATCH v10 " Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-02-18 20:22             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-02-19  8:09               ` Juri Lelli
2016-02-19 16:42                 ` Srinivas Pandruvada
2016-02-19 17:26                   ` Juri Lelli
2016-02-19 22:26                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-02-22  9:42                       ` Juri Lelli
2016-02-22 21:41                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-02-23 11:10                           ` Juri Lelli
2016-02-24  1:52                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-02-22 10:45                       ` Viresh Kumar
2016-02-19 17:28                   ` Steve Muckle
2016-02-19 22:35                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-02-23  3:58                       ` Steve Muckle
2016-02-22 10:52                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-02-22 14:33                       ` Vincent Guittot
2016-02-22 15:31                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-02-22 14:40                       ` Juri Lelli
2016-02-22 15:42                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-02-22 21:46                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-02-19 22:14                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-02-22  9:32                   ` Juri Lelli
2016-02-22 21:26                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-02-23 11:01                       ` Juri Lelli
2016-02-24  2:01                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-08 19:24                           ` Michael Turquette
2016-03-08 20:40                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
     [not found]                               ` <20160308220632.4103.13377@quark.deferred.io>
2016-03-08 22:43                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-09 12:35             ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-09 13:22               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-09 13:32               ` Ingo Molnar
2016-03-09 13:39                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-10  2:12               ` Vincent Guittot
2016-02-10 15:25   ` [PATCH v6 2/3] cpufreq: intel_pstate: Replace timers with " Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-02-10 15:36   ` [PATCH v6 3/3] cpufreq: governor: " Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-02-10 23:11   ` [PATCH v6 0/3] cpufreq: " Doug Smythies
2016-02-10 23:17     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-02-11 22:50       ` Doug Smythies
2016-02-11 23:28         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-02-12  1:02           ` Doug Smythies
2016-02-12  1:20             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-02-12  7:25         ` Doug Smythies
2016-02-12 13:39           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-02-12 17:33             ` Doug Smythies
2016-02-12 23:21               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-02-11  6:02     ` Srinivas Pandruvada

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