From: "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>
To: Shuah <shuah@kernel.org>
Cc: tech-board-discuss@lists.linux-foundation.org, ksummit@lists.linux.dev
Subject: Re: [Tech-board-discuss] [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] Maintainers Support Group
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2023 16:39:11 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZQoG71Vdy9iLAcY1@mit.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <371cb5d1-9997-a03b-4848-550ac8658021@kernel.org>
On Tue, Sep 19, 2023 at 10:52:40AM -0600, Shuah wrote:
> As a member of the CoC, I respectfully disagree with the statement "but all the
> focus has mainly been around telling maintainers how to behave." This impression
> might have been the result of one unfortunate incident that took place last year.
> is only part of what CoC has been doing.
>
> A majority of reports are related to incorrect understanding of how the community
> works and discusses technical issues. Most of them get resolved without involving
> the community. This is behind the scenes silent work CoC does.
>
> It is unfortunate that CoC is being viewed as a body that is focused on telling
> maintainers how to behave. I would encourage to not view CoC work based on one
> or two cases that were outliers. CoC worked very hard to resolve them fairly and
> that benefited the community as a whole.
Shuah, I don't think this is the fault of the CoC. Much of it is in
how people interpret the CoC, or think it should be adapted. For
example, just this past week, on the maintainer's summit, this
statement:
>Waah, waah, waah. The buffer cache is *trivial*. If you don't like the
>buffer cache, don't use it. It's that simple.[1]
... resulted in Linus being accused as a CoC violation.
I'm not sure that it qualifies as a CoC violation, but Dave Chinner
certainly thought so, and publically accused Linus of that[2].
Personally, I'm not convinced that people calling people out for real
or imagined CoC violations is always going to be productive,
especially when it wasn't an explicit personal attack. It's these
sorts of edge cases is what causes some people to fear and badmouth
CoC's. Which is, I think, unfortunate.
[1] https://lore.kernel.org/all/CAHk-=wg=xY6id92yS3=B59UfKmTmOgq+NNv+cqCMZ1Yr=FwR9A@mail.gmail.com/
[2] https://lore.kernel.org/all/ZQTfIu9OWwGnIT4b@dread.disaster.area/
- Ted
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-09-19 20:39 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-09-19 16:10 [Tech-board-discuss] [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] Maintainers Support Group Steven Rostedt
2023-09-19 16:52 ` Shuah
2023-09-19 17:19 ` Steven Rostedt
2023-09-19 17:29 ` Steven Rostedt
2023-09-19 17:54 ` James Bottomley
2023-09-19 21:26 ` Shuah
2023-09-19 20:39 ` Theodore Ts'o [this message]
2023-09-19 21:02 ` Steven Rostedt
2023-09-20 12:03 ` Christian Brauner
2023-09-19 22:01 ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-09-19 22:07 ` Randy Dunlap
2023-09-19 22:40 ` Shuah
2023-09-19 22:32 ` Shuah
2023-09-19 22:53 ` Shuah
[not found] ` <dbeb5ad9-fa6d-4633-a160-6a0f8ed6bd51@acm.org>
2023-09-19 17:21 ` Steven Rostedt
2023-09-19 22:55 ` Shuah
2023-09-19 23:21 ` Steven Rostedt
2023-09-20 7:06 ` Linus Walleij
2023-09-20 19:52 ` Shuah
2023-09-20 22:54 ` Laurent Pinchart
2023-09-21 0:45 ` Shuah
2023-09-21 12:40 ` Linus Walleij
2023-09-21 12:56 ` Laurent Pinchart
2023-09-19 17:48 ` Dave Taht
2023-09-20 15:45 ` Mark Brown
2023-10-05 18:08 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-06 20:47 ` Linus Walleij
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