From: Eric Wong <firstname.lastname@example.org> To: Jeremy Evans <email@example.com> Cc: firstname.lastname@example.org Subject: Re: Patch: Add after_worker_ready configuration option Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2017 09:23:09 +0000 Message-ID: <20170223092309.GA28620@whir> (raw) In-Reply-To: <20170223034336.GE81807@jeremyevans.local> Jeremy Evans <email@example.com> wrote: <snip> acknowledging everything above. > On 02/23 02:32, Eric Wong wrote: > > Jeremy Evans <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote: > > Anyways, I'm somewhat inclined to accept this as well, but will > > think about it a bit, too. > > > > One problem I have with this change is that it requires users > > read more documentation and know more caveats to use. > > It's unfortunate, but I think it's necessary in this case. Unicorn's > default behavior works for most users, but this makes it so you > don't have to override HttpServer#init_worker_process to get similar > functionality. Yeah. Unfortunately, with every option comes more support/maintenance overhead. So I'm trying to make sure we've explored every possible avenue before adding this new option. <snip> > > (*) Fwiw, I wasn't thrilled to add user switching to unicorn back > > in 2009/2010, as it should not need to run privileged ports. > > I think had you not added it, there wouldn't be a need for a chroot > patch, since otherwise one would assume any user that wanted to > drop privileges would just run the necessary code themselves. > > One thing to keep in mind is that if you did not add the user switching > code, developers who need it would implement it themselves, and would > likely miss things like initgroups. Heh. As I was mentioning above, every feature can come with new, unintended consequences :> But yeah, maybe push things up to Ruby stdlib, or systemd... > > So I'm wondering if there can be some of that which could be > > trimmed out someday or made optional, somehow. > > I'm not sure how open you are to a plugin-like system for Unicorn, where > you can have separate files for separate features, and users can choose > which features the want to use. This limits memory usage so that you > don't pay a memory cost for features you don't use. This is the > approach used by Sequel, Roda, and Rodauth (other libraries I maintain), > and if you are interested in a similar system for Unicorn, I would be > happy to work on one. Not really. As I've stated many times in the past, unicorn is just one of many servers available for Rack users; so I've been against people building too many dependencies on unicorn, that comes at the expense of other servers. What I had in mind was having a shim process which does socket setup, user switching, etc. before exec-ing unicorn in cases where a systemd-like spawner is not used. But it's probably too small to make an impact on real apps anyways, since Ruby still has tons of methods which never get called, either. > I do have a couple of additional patches I plan to send, but I think it > may be better to ask here first. > > One is that SIGUSR1 handling doesn't work well with chroot if the log > file is outside of the chroot, since the worker process may not have > access to reopen the file. One simple fix is to reopen the logs in > the master process, then send SIGQUIT instead of SIGUSR1 to the child > processes. Are you open to a patch that does that? Right now, the worker exits with some log spew if reopening logs fails, and the worker respawns anyways, correct? Perhaps that mapping can be made automatic if chroot is enabled. I wonder if that's too much magic... Or the log spew could be suppressed when the error is ENOENT and chroot is enabled. The sysadmin could also send SIGHUP to reload everything and respawn all children. So, I'm wondering if using SIGHUP is too much of a burden, or if automatic USR1 => QUIT mapping for chroot users is too magical. (trying to avoid adding more options + documentation, as always :) > The second feature is more exotic security feature called fork+exec. > The current issue with unicorn's direct forking of children is that > forked children share the memory layout of the server. This is good > from a memory usage standpoint due to CoW memory. However, if there > is a memory vulnerability in the unicorn application, this makes it > easier to exploit, since if the a unicorn worker process crashes, the > master process will fork a child with pretty much the same memory > layout. This allows address space discovery attacks. Using fork+exec, > each child process would have a unique address space for ASLR, on > most Unix-like systems (Linux, MacOS X, NetBSD, OpenBSD, Solaris). > There are additional security advantages from fork+exec on OpenBSD, but > all Unix-like systems that use ASLR can benefit from the unique > memory layout per process. It depends how intrusive the implementation is... Is this merely calling exec in the worker? I'm not sure if your use of "fork+exec" is merely the two well-known syscalls combined, or if there's something else; I'll assume the former, since that's enough to have a unique address space for Ruby bytecode. Can this be done in an after_fork/after_worker_ready hook? Socket inheritance can be done the same way it handles USR2 upgrades and systemd socket inheritance.
next prev parent reply index Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top 2017-02-23 0:49 Jeremy Evans 2017-02-23 2:32 ` Eric Wong 2017-02-23 2:34 ` Eric Wong 2017-02-23 3:43 ` Jeremy Evans 2017-02-23 9:23 ` Eric Wong [this message] 2017-02-23 20:00 ` Jeremy Evans
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