From: Ian Campbell <ian.campbell@citrix.com>
To: Ian Jackson <Ian.Jackson@eu.citrix.com>
Cc: Juergen Gross <jgross@suse.com>, Wei Liu <wei.liu2@citrix.com>,
George Dunlap <George.Dunlap@eu.citrix.com>,
Chunyan Liu <cyliu@suse.com>,
"xen-devel@lists.xen.org" <xen-devel@lists.xen.org>,
Jim Fehlig <jfehlig@suse.com>, Simon Cao <caobosimon@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V4 3/7] libxl: add pvusb API
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 12:24:18 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1434540258.13744.332.camel@citrix.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <21888.3129.360614.171879@mariner.uk.xensource.com>
On Tue, 2015-06-16 at 12:44 +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
> George Dunlap writes ("Re: [Xen-devel] [PATCH V4 3/7] libxl: add pvusb API"):
> > On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 12:19 PM, Juergen Gross <jgross@suse.com> wrote:
> > > I'm pretty sure this is just a matter of timing during boot: the busses
> > > are all (or at least some of them) queried at the same time and the
> > > first answering gets number 1, the next 2, and so on. And timing seems
> > > to be different enough to result in unstable bus numbers.
> >
> > Right -- I meant "stable in topology within one boot", but at least
> > two of you have now understood me to mean "across reboots" by default,
> > so that's obviously a detail that needs to be specified. :-)
>
> I think "stable in topology within one boot" is nearly vacuous (or are
> we expecting buses or devices to spontaneously renumber themselves for
> no reason) and also nearly useless.
>
> We definitely need _some_ way for a user to identify a specific device
> uniquely in a way that is reliable from one boot to the next. vid:pid
> is one way to do this, but not always sufficient.
We should perhaps separate out the "end user" from the "libxl
user" (i.e. the toolstack application) in our deliberations here.
We have the option of settling on a single way of describing a device to
libxl in the libxl API but allowing the toolstack to choose to present
the user with multiple different ways to specify things by providing a
suitable set of helper functions (in either libxlu or libxl proper) from
a variety of schemes to the one true way of describing a device.
That sounds better to me than having the libxl API consist of the union
of all potentially useful ways to refer to a device.
I'm not sure whether that also gives us the freedom to use something
which is only stable for a given boot at the libxl API layer though.
Ian.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-06-17 11:24 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 88+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-06-10 3:20 [PATCH V4 0/7] xen pvusb toolstack work Chunyan Liu
2015-06-10 3:20 ` [PATCH V4 1/7] libxl: export some functions for pvusb use Chunyan Liu
2015-06-11 16:08 ` Ian Jackson
2015-06-11 16:28 ` Wei Liu
2015-06-12 15:14 ` Ian Jackson
2015-06-10 3:20 ` [PATCH V4 2/7] libxl_read_file_contents: add new entry to read sysfs file Chunyan Liu
2015-06-11 16:16 ` Ian Jackson
2015-06-12 7:00 ` Chun Yan Liu
2015-06-12 15:11 ` Ian Jackson
2015-06-10 3:20 ` [PATCH V4 3/7] libxl: add pvusb API Chunyan Liu
2015-06-11 15:00 ` Juergen Gross
2015-06-11 16:07 ` Ian Jackson
2015-06-11 16:42 ` Ian Jackson
2015-06-12 7:39 ` Chun Yan Liu
2015-06-12 8:06 ` Chun Yan Liu
2015-06-12 11:22 ` Ian Jackson
2015-06-15 14:17 ` George Dunlap
2015-06-15 14:25 ` Jürgen Groß
2015-06-15 14:34 ` George Dunlap
2015-06-15 18:26 ` Juergen Gross
2015-06-16 10:30 ` George Dunlap
2015-06-16 10:51 ` Juergen Gross
2015-06-16 11:11 ` George Dunlap
2015-06-16 11:19 ` Juergen Gross
2015-06-16 11:23 ` George Dunlap
2015-06-16 11:44 ` Ian Jackson
2015-06-17 11:24 ` Ian Campbell [this message]
2015-06-18 11:50 ` George Dunlap
2015-06-18 12:08 ` George Dunlap
2015-06-18 13:03 ` Juergen Gross
2015-06-22 13:29 ` Proposed plan for libxl USB interface (was Re: [PATCH V4 3/7] libxl: add pvusb API) George Dunlap
2015-06-22 14:14 ` Juergen Gross
2015-06-22 14:22 ` Ian Jackson
2015-06-23 2:42 ` Chun Yan Liu
2015-06-23 2:43 ` Chun Yan Liu
2015-06-23 2:44 ` Chun Yan Liu
2015-06-16 10:41 ` [PATCH V4 3/7] libxl: add pvusb API Ian Jackson
2015-06-16 10:56 ` Jürgen Groß
2015-06-16 11:03 ` George Dunlap
2015-06-16 11:10 ` Ian Jackson
2015-06-16 11:25 ` Juergen Gross
2015-06-16 11:45 ` George Dunlap
2015-06-16 12:02 ` Ian Jackson
2015-06-16 13:19 ` George Dunlap
2015-06-16 13:32 ` Juergen Gross
2015-06-16 13:37 ` [PATCH V4 3/7] libxl: add pvusb API [and 1 more messages] Ian Jackson
2015-06-16 14:41 ` George Dunlap
2015-06-16 15:58 ` Sander Eikelenboom
2015-06-16 15:59 ` Ian Jackson
2015-06-16 16:34 ` George Dunlap
2015-06-17 3:59 ` Juergen Gross
2015-06-17 10:27 ` George Dunlap
2015-06-18 6:24 ` Chun Yan Liu
2015-06-16 11:45 ` [PATCH V4 3/7] libxl: add pvusb API Ian Jackson
2015-06-16 13:06 ` Juergen Gross
2015-06-16 13:09 ` George Dunlap
2015-06-16 13:23 ` Juergen Gross
2015-06-16 13:29 ` George Dunlap
2015-06-16 13:49 ` Juergen Gross
2015-06-16 14:06 ` George Dunlap
2015-06-16 14:20 ` Juergen Gross
2015-06-16 14:37 ` George Dunlap
2015-06-17 11:34 ` Ian Campbell
2015-06-17 11:40 ` Juergen Gross
2015-06-18 6:20 ` Chun Yan Liu
2015-06-18 7:02 ` Juergen Gross
2015-06-18 8:50 ` Ian Campbell
2015-06-18 13:02 ` Juergen Gross
2015-06-16 15:38 ` George Dunlap
2015-06-16 11:01 ` George Dunlap
2015-06-16 11:12 ` Ian Jackson
2015-06-16 11:21 ` George Dunlap
2015-06-16 16:32 ` Ian Jackson
2015-06-16 16:39 ` George Dunlap
2015-06-16 16:51 ` Ross Philipson
2015-06-17 4:03 ` Jürgen Groß
2015-06-17 13:48 ` Ross Philipson
2015-06-15 17:47 ` George Dunlap
2015-06-23 10:18 ` Chun Yan Liu
2015-06-23 11:29 ` George Dunlap
2015-06-24 2:26 ` Chun Yan Liu
2015-06-10 3:20 ` [PATCH V4 4/7] libxl: add libxl_device_usb_assignable_list API Chunyan Liu
2015-06-10 3:20 ` [PATCH V4 5/7] xl: add pvusb commands Chunyan Liu
2015-06-12 7:37 ` Juergen Gross
2015-06-12 8:03 ` Chun Yan Liu
2015-06-12 8:22 ` Juergen Gross
2015-06-10 3:20 ` [PATCH V4 6/7] xl: add usb-assignable-list command Chunyan Liu
2015-06-10 3:20 ` [PATCH V4 7/7] domcreate: support pvusb in configuration file Chunyan Liu
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