From: Gerard Roudier <groudier@club-internet.fr>
To: "Stephen C. Tweedie" <sct@redhat.com>
Cc: Thomas Sailer <sailer@ife.ee.ethz.ch>,
linux-kernel@vger.rutgers.edu, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: MM deadlock [was: Re: arca-vm-8...]
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:11:45 +0100 (MET) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.990127204123.386B-100000@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <199901271605.QAA05048@dax.scot.redhat.com>
On Wed, 27 Jan 1999, Stephen C. Tweedie wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Tue, 26 Jan 1999 21:48:59 +0100 (MET), Gerard Roudier
> <groudier@club-internet.fr> said:
>
[ ... ]
> > There are bunches of things that are widespread used nowadays and that
> > should have disappeard since years if people were a bit more concerned
> > by technical and progress considerations.
>
> Yes. I see what you mean. We should immediately remove Linux support
> for FAT filesystems, the ISA bus and 8086 virtual mode.
>
> Not.
AFAIK, it is what M$$ is intending to do. If the Linux strategy is to be
the greatest O/S for obsolete hardware, we can support that stuff years
after M$$ has dropped the support of it.
> > For example, it seems that 32 bits systems are not enough to provide a
> > flat virtual addressing space far larger than the physical address space
> > needed for applications (that was the primary goal of virtual memory
> > invention).
>
> *One* of the primary goals. The other was protected multitasking. The
> x86 architecture today is perfectly well capable of supporting mutliple
> 32-bit address spaces within a 36 bit (64GB) physical address space, and
> large multiuser environments would benefit enormously from such an
> environment.
64 GB of memory needs 36 address lines. It is obvious to handle that on 64
bit machines that exists since _years_, but very painfull on 32 bit
addressing machines. Implementing complex algorithms for handling this
stupidity is stupidity by itself. 32 bit VM architecture is a 25 years
old technology. The fact that it still exists nowadays is because the
market place was more concerned by $$ than by real progress. If the PC
market had started in 1980, then it might have happen that modern PCs
would use rather Z80s type processors at something like 1 GHZ that 32 bit
PII at 400 MHz.
Just thinking of the ridiculous price fast 32 bits processors are sold
today is the proof, in my opinion, that 32 bit is definitely _dead_.
People that still want to make efforts for that stuff are just stupid, in
my opinion.
> > A device that requires more contiguous space than 1 PAGE for its
> > support is crap.
>
> So? IDE is crap because it doesn't support multiple outstanding
Indeed.
> commands. If you honestly believe that this means we should remove IDE
> support from the kernel, then you are living on another planet where
> getting real work done by real users doesn't matter. Fact is, we _can_
> support this stuff, and users want us to.
I live on the euro-planet and yours is just a satellit. :-))
Regards,
Gerard.
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[not found] <199812290146.BAA12687@terrorserver.swansea.linux.org.uk>
1998-12-31 18:00 ` 2.2.0 Bug summary Andrea Arcangeli
1998-12-31 18:34 ` [patch] new-vm improvement [Re: 2.2.0 Bug summary] Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-01 0:16 ` Steve Bergman
1999-01-01 17:16 ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-01 16:44 ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-01 20:02 ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-01 23:46 ` Steve Bergman
1999-01-02 6:55 ` Linus Torvalds
1999-01-02 8:33 ` Steve Bergman
1999-01-02 14:48 ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-02 15:38 ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-02 18:10 ` Linus Torvalds
1999-01-02 20:52 ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-03 2:59 ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-04 18:08 ` [patch] arca-vm-6, killed kswapd [Re: [patch] new-vm improvement , [Re: 2.2.0 Bug summary]] Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-04 20:56 ` Linus Torvalds
1999-01-04 21:10 ` Rik van Riel
1999-01-04 22:04 ` Alan Cox
1999-01-04 21:55 ` Linus Torvalds
1999-01-04 22:51 ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-05 0:32 ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-05 0:52 ` Zlatko Calusic
1999-01-05 3:02 ` Zlatko Calusic
1999-01-05 11:49 ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-05 13:23 ` Zlatko Calusic
1999-01-05 15:42 ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-05 16:16 ` Zlatko Calusic
1999-01-05 15:35 ` arca-vm-8 [Re: [patch] arca-vm-6, killed kswapd [Re: [patch] new-vm , improvement , [Re: 2.2.0 Bug summary]]] Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-06 14:48 ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-06 23:31 ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-07 3:32 ` Results: 2.2.0-pre5 vs arcavm10 vs arcavm9 vs arcavm7 Steve Bergman
1999-01-07 12:02 ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-07 20:27 ` Linus Torvalds
1999-01-07 23:56 ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-07 17:35 ` Linus Torvalds
1999-01-07 18:44 ` Zlatko Calusic
1999-01-07 19:33 ` Linus Torvalds
1999-01-07 21:10 ` Zlatko Calusic
1999-01-07 19:38 ` Zlatko Calusic
1999-01-07 19:40 ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-09 6:28 ` 2.2.0-pre[56] swap performance poor with > 1 thrashing task Dax Kelson
1999-01-09 6:32 ` Zlatko Calusic
1999-01-09 6:44 ` Linus Torvalds
1999-01-09 18:58 ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-11 9:21 ` Buffer handling (setting PG_referenced on access) Zlatko Calusic
1999-01-11 17:44 ` Linus Torvalds
1999-01-11 20:14 ` Zlatko Calusic
1999-01-16 17:35 ` 2.2.0-pre[56] swap performance poor with > 1 thrashing task Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-09 7:48 ` Benjamin Redelings I
1999-01-09 6:53 ` Linus Torvalds
1999-01-09 22:39 ` Results: pre6 vs pre6+zlatko's_patch vs pre5 vs arcavm13 Steve Bergman
1999-01-10 0:28 ` Steve Bergman
1999-01-10 5:35 ` Linus Torvalds
1999-01-10 18:33 ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-10 18:43 ` Steve Bergman
1999-01-10 19:08 ` Linus Torvalds
1999-01-10 19:23 ` Vladimir Dergachev
1999-01-10 20:09 ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-10 20:29 ` Steve Bergman
1999-01-10 21:41 ` Linus Torvalds
1999-01-10 23:33 ` testing/pre-7 and do_poll() Chip Salzenberg
1999-01-11 6:02 ` Linus Torvalds
1999-01-11 6:26 ` Chip Salzenberg
1999-01-11 6:46 ` Linus Torvalds
1999-01-11 6:59 ` Chip Salzenberg
1999-01-11 7:02 ` Linus Torvalds
1999-01-11 22:08 ` Shawn Leas
1999-01-11 22:13 ` Linus Torvalds
1999-01-12 0:25 ` estafford
1999-01-12 8:25 ` Shawn Leas
1999-01-12 7:06 ` Gregory Maxwell
1999-01-11 20:20 ` Adam Heath
1999-01-11 16:57 ` Results: pre6 vs pre6+zlatko's_patch vs pre5 vs arcavm13 Steve Bergman
1999-01-11 19:36 ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-11 23:03 ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-11 23:38 ` Zlatko Calusic
1999-01-12 2:02 ` Steve Bergman
1999-01-12 3:21 ` Results: Zlatko's new vm patch Steve Bergman
1999-01-12 5:33 ` Linus Torvalds
1999-01-12 14:49 ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-12 16:58 ` Joseph Anthony
1999-01-12 18:16 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1999-01-12 20:15 ` Michael K Vance
1999-01-13 19:25 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1999-01-12 18:24 ` Michael K Vance
1999-01-13 0:01 ` Where to find pre7. Was: " Robert Thorncrantz
1999-01-13 20:47 ` [patch] arca-vm-19 [Re: Results: Zlatko's new vm patch] Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-14 12:30 ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-15 23:56 ` [patch] NEW: arca-vm-21, swapout via shrink_mmap using PG_dirty Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-16 16:49 ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-17 23:47 ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-18 5:11 ` Linus Torvalds
1999-01-18 7:28 ` Eric W. Biederman
1999-01-18 10:00 ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-18 9:15 ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-18 17:49 ` Linus Torvalds
1999-01-18 19:22 ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-10 20:40 ` Results: pre6 vs pre6+zlatko's_patch vs pre5 vs arcavm13 Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-10 20:50 ` Linus Torvalds
1999-01-10 21:01 ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-10 21:51 ` Steve Bergman
1999-01-10 22:50 ` Results: arcavm15, et. al Steve Bergman
1999-01-11 0:20 ` Steve Bergman
1999-01-11 13:21 ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-11 3:47 ` Results: pre6 vs pre6+zlatko's_patch vs pre5 vs arcavm13 Gregory Maxwell
1999-01-06 23:35 ` arca-vm-8 [Re: [patch] arca-vm-6, killed kswapd [Re: [patch] new-vm , improvement , [Re: 2.2.0 Bug summary]]] Linus Torvalds
1999-01-07 4:30 ` Eric W. Biederman
1999-01-07 17:56 ` Linus Torvalds
1999-01-07 18:18 ` Rik van Riel
1999-01-07 19:19 ` arca-vm-8 [Re: [patch] arca-vm-6, killed kswapd [Re: [patch] Alan Cox
1999-01-07 18:55 ` arca-vm-8 [Re: [patch] arca-vm-6, killed kswapd [Re: [patch] new-vm , improvement , [Re: 2.2.0 Bug summary]]] Zlatko Calusic
1999-01-07 22:57 ` Linus Torvalds
1999-01-08 1:16 ` Linus Torvalds
1999-01-08 10:45 ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-08 19:06 ` Linus Torvalds
1999-01-09 9:43 ` MM deadlock [was: Re: arca-vm-8...] Savochkin Andrey Vladimirovich
1999-01-09 18:00 ` Linus Torvalds
1999-01-09 18:41 ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-10 21:41 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1999-01-10 21:47 ` Linus Torvalds
1999-01-09 21:50 ` Linus Torvalds
1999-01-10 11:56 ` Savochkin Andrey Vladimirovich
1999-01-10 17:59 ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-10 22:33 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1999-01-10 16:59 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1999-01-10 18:13 ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-10 18:35 ` Linus Torvalds
1999-01-10 19:45 ` Alan Cox
1999-01-10 19:03 ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-10 21:39 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1999-01-10 19:09 ` Linus Torvalds
1999-01-10 20:33 ` Alan Cox
1999-01-10 20:07 ` Linus Torvalds
1999-01-10 22:18 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1999-01-10 22:49 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1999-01-11 6:04 ` Eric W. Biederman
1999-01-12 16:06 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1999-01-12 17:54 ` Linus Torvalds
1999-01-12 18:44 ` Zlatko Calusic
1999-01-12 19:05 ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-13 17:48 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1999-01-13 18:07 ` 2.2.0-pre6 ain't nice =( Kalle Andersson
1999-01-13 19:05 ` MM deadlock [was: Re: arca-vm-8...] Alan Cox
1999-01-13 19:23 ` MOLNAR Ingo
1999-01-13 19:26 ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-14 11:02 ` Mike Jagdis
1999-01-14 22:38 ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-15 7:40 ` Agus Budy Wuysang
1999-01-14 10:48 ` Mike Jagdis
1999-01-12 21:46 ` Rik van Riel
1999-01-13 6:52 ` Zlatko Calusic
1999-01-13 13:45 ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-13 13:58 ` Chris Evans
1999-01-13 15:07 ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-13 22:11 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1999-01-13 14:59 ` Rik van Riel
1999-01-13 18:10 ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-13 22:14 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1999-01-14 14:53 ` Dr. Werner Fink
1999-01-21 16:50 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1999-01-21 19:53 ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-22 13:55 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1999-01-22 19:45 ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-23 23:20 ` Alan Cox
1999-01-24 0:19 ` Linus Torvalds
1999-01-24 18:33 ` Gregory Maxwell
1999-01-25 0:21 ` Linus Torvalds
1999-01-25 1:28 ` Alan Cox
1999-01-25 3:35 ` pmonta
1999-01-25 4:17 ` Linus Torvalds
1999-01-24 20:33 ` Alan Cox
1999-01-25 0:27 ` Linus Torvalds
1999-01-25 1:38 ` Alan Cox
1999-01-25 1:04 ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-25 2:10 ` Alan Cox
1999-01-25 3:16 ` Garst R. Reese
1999-01-25 10:49 ` Alan Cox
1999-01-25 14:06 ` Rik van Riel
1999-01-25 21:59 ` Gerard Roudier
1999-01-26 11:45 ` Thomas Sailer
1999-01-26 20:48 ` Gerard Roudier
1999-01-26 21:24 ` Thomas Sailer
1999-01-27 0:25 ` David Lang
1999-01-27 16:05 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1999-01-27 20:11 ` Gerard Roudier [this message]
1999-01-26 13:06 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1999-01-26 14:28 ` Alan Cox
1999-01-26 14:15 ` MOLNAR Ingo
1999-01-26 14:36 ` yodaiken
1999-01-26 15:21 ` MOLNAR Ingo
1999-01-27 10:31 ` yodaiken
1999-01-26 15:46 ` Alan Cox
1999-01-26 16:45 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1999-01-30 7:01 ` yodaiken
1999-02-01 13:07 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1999-01-26 16:37 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1999-01-27 11:35 ` Jakub Jelinek
1999-01-26 14:21 ` Rik van Riel
1999-01-25 16:25 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1999-01-25 16:52 ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-25 18:27 ` Linus Torvalds
1999-01-25 18:43 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1999-01-25 18:49 ` Linus Torvalds
1999-01-25 18:43 ` Linus Torvalds
1999-01-25 19:15 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1999-01-26 1:57 ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-26 18:37 ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-27 12:13 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1999-01-22 16:29 ` Eric W. Biederman
1999-01-25 13:14 ` Dr. Werner Fink
1999-01-25 17:56 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1999-01-25 19:10 ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-25 20:49 ` Dr. Werner Fink
1999-01-25 20:56 ` Linus Torvalds
1999-01-26 12:23 ` Rik van Riel
1999-01-26 15:44 ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-27 14:52 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1999-01-28 19:12 ` Dr. Werner Fink
1999-01-13 17:55 ` [PATCH] " Stephen C. Tweedie
1999-01-13 18:52 ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-13 22:10 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1999-01-13 22:30 ` Linus Torvalds
1999-01-11 11:20 ` Pavel Machek
1999-01-11 17:35 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1999-01-11 14:11 ` Savochkin Andrey Vladimirovich
1999-01-11 17:55 ` Linus Torvalds
1999-01-11 18:37 ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-08 2:56 ` arca-vm-8 [Re: [patch] arca-vm-6, killed kswapd [Re: [patch] new-vm , improvement , [Re: 2.2.0 Bug summary]]] Eric W. Biederman
1999-01-09 0:50 ` David S. Miller
1999-01-09 2:13 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1999-01-09 2:34 ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-09 9:30 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1999-01-09 12:11 ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-07 14:11 ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-07 18:19 ` Linus Torvalds
1999-01-07 20:35 ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-07 23:51 ` Linus Torvalds
1999-01-08 0:04 ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-04 22:43 ` [patch] arca-vm-6, killed kswapd [Re: [patch] new-vm improvement , [Re: 2.2.0 Bug summary]] Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-04 22:29 ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-05 13:33 ` [patch] new-vm improvement [Re: 2.2.0 Bug summary] Ben McCann
1999-01-02 20:04 ` Steve Bergman
1999-01-02 3:03 ` Andrea Arcangeli
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