From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: maobibo <maobibo@loongson.cn>
Cc: Mingwei Zhang <mizhang@google.com>,
Dapeng Mi <dapeng1.mi@linux.intel.com>,
Xiong Zhang <xiong.y.zhang@linux.intel.com>,
pbonzini@redhat.com, peterz@infradead.org, kan.liang@intel.com,
zhenyuw@linux.intel.com, jmattson@google.com,
kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-perf-users@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, zhiyuan.lv@intel.com,
eranian@google.com, irogers@google.com, samantha.alt@intel.com,
like.xu.linux@gmail.com, chao.gao@intel.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 23/41] KVM: x86/pmu: Implement the save/restore of PMU state for Intel CPU
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2024 10:01:16 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZiaX3H3YfrVh50cs@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4d60384a-11e0-2f2b-a568-517b40c91b25@loongson.cn>
On Mon, Apr 22, 2024, maobibo wrote:
> On 2024/4/16 上午6:45, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > On Mon, Apr 15, 2024, Mingwei Zhang wrote:
> > > On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 10:38 AM Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com> wrote:
> > > > One my biggest complaints with the current vPMU code is that the roles and
> > > > responsibilities between KVM and perf are poorly defined, which leads to suboptimal
> > > > and hard to maintain code.
> > > >
> > > > Case in point, I'm pretty sure leaving guest values in PMCs _would_ leak guest
> > > > state to userspace processes that have RDPMC permissions, as the PMCs might not
> > > > be dirty from perf's perspective (see perf_clear_dirty_counters()).
> > > >
> > > > Blindly clearing PMCs in KVM "solves" that problem, but in doing so makes the
> > > > overall code brittle because it's not clear whether KVM _needs_ to clear PMCs,
> > > > or if KVM is just being paranoid.
> > >
> > > So once this rolls out, perf and vPMU are clients directly to PMU HW.
> >
> > I don't think this is a statement we want to make, as it opens a discussion
> > that we won't win. Nor do I think it's one we *need* to make. KVM doesn't need
> > to be on equal footing with perf in terms of owning/managing PMU hardware, KVM
> > just needs a few APIs to allow faithfully and accurately virtualizing a guest PMU.
> >
> > > Faithful cleaning (blind cleaning) has to be the baseline
> > > implementation, until both clients agree to a "deal" between them.
> > > Currently, there is no such deal, but I believe we could have one via
> > > future discussion.
> >
> > What I am saying is that there needs to be a "deal" in place before this code
> > is merged. It doesn't need to be anything fancy, e.g. perf can still pave over
> > PMCs it doesn't immediately load, as opposed to using cpu_hw_events.dirty to lazily
> > do the clearing. But perf and KVM need to work together from the get go, ie. I
> > don't want KVM doing something without regard to what perf does, and vice versa.
> >
> There is similar issue on LoongArch vPMU where vm can directly pmu hardware
> and pmu hw is shard with guest and host. Besides context switch there are
> other places where perf core will access pmu hw, such as tick
> timer/hrtimer/ipi function call, and KVM can only intercept context switch.
Two questions:
1) Can KVM prevent the guest from accessing the PMU?
2) If so, KVM can grant partial access to the PMU, or is it all or nothing?
If the answer to both questions is "yes", then it sounds like LoongArch *requires*
mediated/passthrough support in order to virtualize its PMU.
> Can we add callback handler in structure kvm_guest_cbs? just like this:
> @@ -6403,6 +6403,7 @@ static struct perf_guest_info_callbacks kvm_guest_cbs
> = {
> .state = kvm_guest_state,
> .get_ip = kvm_guest_get_ip,
> .handle_intel_pt_intr = NULL,
> + .lose_pmu = kvm_guest_lose_pmu,
> };
>
> By the way, I do not know should the callback handler be triggered in perf
> core or detailed pmu hw driver. From ARM pmu hw driver, it is triggered in
> pmu hw driver such as function kvm_vcpu_pmu_resync_el0,
> but I think it will be better if it is done in perf core.
I don't think we want to take the approach of perf and KVM guests "fighting" over
the PMU. That's effectively what we have today, and it's a mess for KVM because
it's impossible to provide consistent, deterministic behavior for the guest. And
it's just as messy for perf, which ends up having wierd, cumbersome flows that
exists purely to try to play nice with KVM.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-04-22 17:01 UTC|newest]
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2024-01-26 8:54 [RFC PATCH 00/41] KVM: x86/pmu: Introduce passthrough vPM Xiong Zhang
2024-01-26 8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 01/41] perf: x86/intel: Support PERF_PMU_CAP_VPMU_PASSTHROUGH Xiong Zhang
2024-04-11 17:04 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-11 17:21 ` Liang, Kan
2024-04-11 17:24 ` Jim Mattson
2024-04-11 17:46 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-11 19:13 ` Liang, Kan
2024-04-11 20:43 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-11 21:04 ` Liang, Kan
2024-04-11 19:32 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-01-26 8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 02/41] perf: Support guest enter/exit interfaces Xiong Zhang
2024-03-20 16:40 ` Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2024-03-20 17:12 ` Liang, Kan
2024-04-11 18:06 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-11 19:53 ` Liang, Kan
2024-04-12 19:17 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-12 20:56 ` Liang, Kan
2024-04-15 16:03 ` Liang, Kan
2024-04-16 5:34 ` Zhang, Xiong Y
2024-04-16 12:48 ` Liang, Kan
2024-04-17 9:42 ` Zhang, Xiong Y
2024-04-18 16:11 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-19 1:37 ` Zhang, Xiong Y
2024-04-26 4:09 ` Zhang, Xiong Y
2024-01-26 8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 03/41] perf: Set exclude_guest onto nmi_watchdog Xiong Zhang
2024-04-11 18:56 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-01-26 8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 04/41] perf: core/x86: Add support to register a new vector for PMI handling Xiong Zhang
2024-04-11 17:10 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-11 19:05 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-12 3:56 ` Zhang, Xiong Y
2024-04-13 1:17 ` Mi, Dapeng
2024-01-26 8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 05/41] KVM: x86/pmu: Register PMI handler for passthrough PMU Xiong Zhang
2024-04-11 19:07 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-12 5:44 ` Zhang, Xiong Y
2024-01-26 8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 06/41] perf: x86: Add function to switch PMI handler Xiong Zhang
2024-04-11 19:17 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-11 19:34 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-12 6:03 ` Zhang, Xiong Y
2024-04-12 5:57 ` Zhang, Xiong Y
2024-01-26 8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 07/41] perf/x86: Add interface to reflect virtual LVTPC_MASK bit onto HW Xiong Zhang
2024-04-11 19:21 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-12 6:17 ` Zhang, Xiong Y
2024-01-26 8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 08/41] KVM: x86/pmu: Add get virtual LVTPC_MASK bit function Xiong Zhang
2024-04-11 19:22 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-01-26 8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 09/41] perf: core/x86: Forbid PMI handler when guest own PMU Xiong Zhang
2024-04-11 19:26 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-01-26 8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 10/41] perf: core/x86: Plumb passthrough PMU capability from x86_pmu to x86_pmu_cap Xiong Zhang
2024-01-26 8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 11/41] KVM: x86/pmu: Introduce enable_passthrough_pmu module parameter and propage to KVM instance Xiong Zhang
2024-04-11 20:54 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-11 21:03 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-01-26 8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 12/41] KVM: x86/pmu: Plumb through passthrough PMU to vcpu for Intel CPUs Xiong Zhang
2024-04-11 20:57 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-01-26 8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 13/41] KVM: x86/pmu: Add a helper to check if passthrough PMU is enabled Xiong Zhang
2024-01-26 8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 14/41] KVM: x86/pmu: Allow RDPMC pass through Xiong Zhang
2024-01-26 8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 15/41] KVM: x86/pmu: Manage MSR interception for IA32_PERF_GLOBAL_CTRL Xiong Zhang
2024-01-29 5:53 ` kernel test robot
2024-04-11 21:21 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-11 22:30 ` Jim Mattson
2024-04-11 23:27 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-13 2:10 ` Mi, Dapeng
2024-01-26 8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 16/41] KVM: x86/pmu: Create a function prototype to disable MSR interception Xiong Zhang
2024-01-26 8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 17/41] KVM: x86/pmu: Implement pmu function for Intel CPU " Xiong Zhang
2024-01-26 8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 18/41] KVM: x86/pmu: Intercept full-width GP counter MSRs by checking with perf capabilities Xiong Zhang
2024-04-11 21:23 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-11 21:50 ` Jim Mattson
2024-04-12 16:01 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-01-26 8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 19/41] KVM: x86/pmu: Whitelist PMU MSRs for passthrough PMU Xiong Zhang
2024-01-26 8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 20/41] KVM: x86/pmu: Introduce PMU operation prototypes for save/restore PMU context Xiong Zhang
2024-01-26 8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 21/41] KVM: x86/pmu: Introduce function prototype for Intel CPU to " Xiong Zhang
2024-01-26 8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 22/41] x86: Introduce MSR_CORE_PERF_GLOBAL_STATUS_SET for passthrough PMU Xiong Zhang
2024-01-26 8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 23/41] KVM: x86/pmu: Implement the save/restore of PMU state for Intel CPU Xiong Zhang
2024-04-11 21:26 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-13 2:29 ` Mi, Dapeng
2024-04-11 21:44 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-11 22:19 ` Jim Mattson
2024-04-11 23:31 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-13 3:19 ` Mi, Dapeng
2024-04-13 3:03 ` Mi, Dapeng
2024-04-13 3:34 ` Mingwei Zhang
2024-04-13 4:25 ` Mi, Dapeng
2024-04-15 6:06 ` Mingwei Zhang
2024-04-15 10:04 ` Mi, Dapeng
2024-04-15 16:44 ` Mingwei Zhang
2024-04-15 17:38 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-15 17:54 ` Mingwei Zhang
2024-04-15 22:45 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-22 2:14 ` maobibo
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2024-04-23 4:23 ` Mingwei Zhang
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2024-04-23 7:10 ` Mingwei Zhang
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2024-04-23 8:51 ` maobibo
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2024-04-23 12:12 ` maobibo
2024-04-23 17:02 ` Mingwei Zhang
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2024-04-24 8:18 ` Mi, Dapeng
2024-04-24 15:00 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-25 3:55 ` Mi, Dapeng
2024-04-25 4:24 ` Mingwei Zhang
2024-04-25 16:13 ` Liang, Kan
2024-04-25 20:16 ` Mingwei Zhang
2024-04-25 20:43 ` Liang, Kan
2024-04-25 21:46 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-26 1:46 ` Mi, Dapeng
2024-04-26 3:12 ` Mingwei Zhang
2024-04-26 4:02 ` Mi, Dapeng
2024-04-26 4:46 ` Mingwei Zhang
2024-04-26 14:09 ` Liang, Kan
2024-04-26 18:41 ` Mingwei Zhang
2024-04-26 19:06 ` Liang, Kan
2024-04-26 19:46 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-27 3:04 ` Mingwei Zhang
2024-04-28 0:58 ` Mi, Dapeng
2024-04-28 6:01 ` Mingwei Zhang
2024-04-29 17:44 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-05-01 17:43 ` Mingwei Zhang
2024-05-01 18:00 ` Liang, Kan
2024-05-01 20:36 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-29 13:08 ` Liang, Kan
2024-04-26 13:53 ` Liang, Kan
2024-04-26 1:50 ` Mi, Dapeng
2024-04-18 21:21 ` Mingwei Zhang
2024-04-18 21:41 ` Mingwei Zhang
2024-04-19 1:02 ` Mi, Dapeng
2024-01-26 8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 24/41] KVM: x86/pmu: Zero out unexposed Counters/Selectors to avoid information leakage Xiong Zhang
2024-04-11 21:36 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-11 21:56 ` Jim Mattson
2024-01-26 8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 25/41] KVM: x86/pmu: Introduce macro PMU_CAP_PERF_METRICS Xiong Zhang
2024-01-26 8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 26/41] KVM: x86/pmu: Add host_perf_cap field in kvm_caps to record host PMU capability Xiong Zhang
2024-04-11 21:49 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-01-26 8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 27/41] KVM: x86/pmu: Clear PERF_METRICS MSR for guest Xiong Zhang
2024-04-11 21:50 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-13 3:29 ` Mi, Dapeng
2024-01-26 8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 28/41] KVM: x86/pmu: Switch IA32_PERF_GLOBAL_CTRL at VM boundary Xiong Zhang
2024-04-11 21:54 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-11 22:10 ` Jim Mattson
2024-04-11 22:54 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-11 23:08 ` Jim Mattson
2024-01-26 8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 29/41] KVM: x86/pmu: Exclude existing vLBR logic from the passthrough PMU Xiong Zhang
2024-01-26 8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 30/41] KVM: x86/pmu: Switch PMI handler at KVM context switch boundary Xiong Zhang
2024-01-26 8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 31/41] KVM: x86/pmu: Call perf_guest_enter() at PMU context switch Xiong Zhang
2024-01-26 8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 32/41] KVM: x86/pmu: Add support for PMU context switch at VM-exit/enter Xiong Zhang
2024-01-26 8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 33/41] KVM: x86/pmu: Make check_pmu_event_filter() an exported function Xiong Zhang
2024-01-26 8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 34/41] KVM: x86/pmu: Intercept EVENT_SELECT MSR Xiong Zhang
2024-04-11 21:55 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-01-26 8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 35/41] KVM: x86/pmu: Allow writing to event selector for GP counters if event is allowed Xiong Zhang
2024-01-26 8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 36/41] KVM: x86/pmu: Intercept FIXED_CTR_CTRL MSR Xiong Zhang
2024-04-11 21:56 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-01-26 8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 37/41] KVM: x86/pmu: Allow writing to fixed counter selector if counter is exposed Xiong Zhang
2024-04-11 22:03 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-13 4:12 ` Mi, Dapeng
2024-01-26 8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 38/41] KVM: x86/pmu: Introduce PMU helper to increment counter Xiong Zhang
2024-01-26 8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 39/41] KVM: x86/pmu: Implement emulated counter increment for passthrough PMU Xiong Zhang
2024-04-11 23:12 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-11 23:17 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-01-26 8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 40/41] KVM: x86/pmu: Separate passthrough PMU logic in set/get_msr() from non-passthrough vPMU Xiong Zhang
2024-04-11 23:18 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-18 21:54 ` Mingwei Zhang
2024-01-26 8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 41/41] KVM: nVMX: Add nested virtualization support for passthrough PMU Xiong Zhang
2024-04-11 23:21 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-11 17:03 ` [RFC PATCH 00/41] KVM: x86/pmu: Introduce passthrough vPM Sean Christopherson
2024-04-12 2:19 ` Zhang, Xiong Y
2024-04-12 18:32 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-15 1:06 ` Zhang, Xiong Y
2024-04-15 15:05 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-16 5:11 ` Zhang, Xiong Y
2024-04-18 20:46 ` Mingwei Zhang
2024-04-18 21:52 ` Mingwei Zhang
2024-04-19 19:14 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-19 22:02 ` Mingwei Zhang
2024-04-11 23:25 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-11 23:56 ` Mingwei Zhang
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