dri-devel Archive mirror
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>
To: Daniel Vetter <daniel@ffwll.ch>
Cc: "Nicolas Dufresne" <nicolas.dufresne@collabora.com>,
	"Bryan O'Donoghue" <bryan.odonoghue@linaro.org>,
	"Dmitry Baryshkov" <dmitry.baryshkov@linaro.org>,
	"Hans de Goede" <hdegoede@redhat.com>,
	"Sumit Semwal" <sumit.semwal@linaro.org>,
	"Benjamin Gaignard" <benjamin.gaignard@collabora.com>,
	"Brian Starkey" <Brian.Starkey@arm.com>,
	"John Stultz" <jstultz@google.com>,
	"T.J. Mercier" <tjmercier@google.com>,
	"Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com>,
	"Lennart Poettering" <mzxreary@0pointer.de>,
	"Robert Mader" <robert.mader@collabora.com>,
	"Sebastien Bacher" <sebastien.bacher@canonical.com>,
	"Linux Media Mailing List" <linux-media@vger.kernel.org>,
	"dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org"
	<dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	linaro-mm-sig@lists.linaro.org,
	"Linux Kernel Mailing List" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Milan Zamazal" <mzamazal@redhat.com>,
	"Maxime Ripard" <mripard@redhat.com>,
	"Andrey Konovalov" <andrey.konovalov.ynk@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Safety of opening up /dev/dma_heap/* to physically present users (udev uaccess tag) ?
Date: Thu, 9 May 2024 00:51:06 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240508215106.GA24860@pendragon.ideasonboard.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Zjs5eM-rRoh6WYYu@phenom.ffwll.local>

On Wed, May 08, 2024 at 10:36:08AM +0200, Daniel Vetter wrote:
> On Tue, May 07, 2024 at 04:07:39PM -0400, Nicolas Dufresne wrote:
> > Le mardi 07 mai 2024 à 21:36 +0300, Laurent Pinchart a écrit :
> > > Shorter term, we have a problem to solve, and the best option we have
> > > found so far is to rely on dma-buf heaps as a backend for the frame
> > > buffer allocatro helper in libcamera for the use case described above.
> > > This won't work in 100% of the cases, clearly. It's a stop-gap measure
> > > until we can do better.
> > 
> > Considering the security concerned raised on this thread with dmabuf heap
> > allocation not be restricted by quotas, you'd get what you want quickly with
> > memfd + udmabuf instead (which is accounted already).
> > 
> > It was raised that distro don't enable udmabuf, but as stated there by Hans, in
> > any cases distro needs to take action to make the softISP works. This
> > alternative is easy and does not interfere in anyway with your future plan or
> > the libcamera API. You could even have both dmabuf heap (for Raspbian) and the
> > safer memfd+udmabuf for the distro with security concerns.
> > 
> > And for the long term plan, we can certainly get closer by fixing that issue
> > with accounting. This issue also applied to v4l2 io-ops, so it would be nice to
> > find common set of helpers to fix these exporters.
> 
> Yeah if this is just for softisp, then memfd + udmabuf is also what I was
> about to suggest. Not just as a stopgap, but as the real official thing.

Long term I still want a centralized memory allocator, at which point
libcamera should stop allocating buffers at all.

> udmabuf does kinda allow you to pin memory, but we can easily fix that by
> adding the right accounting and then either let mlock rlimits or cgroups
> kernel memory limits enforce good behavior.

-- 
Regards,

Laurent Pinchart

  reply	other threads:[~2024-05-08 21:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-05-06 11:49 Safety of opening up /dev/dma_heap/* to physically present users (udev uaccess tag) ? Hans de Goede
2024-05-06 12:05 ` Maxime Ripard
2024-05-06 12:11   ` Hans de Goede
2024-05-06 13:38   ` Daniel Vetter
2024-05-06 14:01     ` Hans de Goede
2024-05-07 11:15       ` Daniel Vetter
2024-05-08  5:46         ` Daniel Stone
2024-05-08  8:33           ` Daniel Vetter
2024-05-08  8:38             ` Daniel Stone
2024-05-08 15:49               ` Daniel Vetter
2024-05-09  9:23                 ` Daniel Stone
2024-05-16 10:18                   ` Daniel Vetter
2024-05-13 13:51                 ` Simon Ser
2024-05-16 10:13                   ` Daniel Vetter
2024-05-16 11:49                     ` Christian König
2024-05-07 13:34       ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2024-05-07 18:59     ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-05-22 13:34     ` Maxime Ripard
2024-05-23  9:41       ` Daniel Vetter
2024-05-07 13:32 ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2024-05-07 14:34   ` Hans de Goede
2024-05-07 15:09     ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2024-05-07 15:15       ` Bryan O'Donoghue
2024-05-07 15:19         ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2024-05-07 18:40           ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-05-07 19:59             ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2024-05-07 20:15               ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-05-08  8:39               ` Daniel Vetter
2024-05-08 21:54                 ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-05-13  8:39               ` Maxime Ripard
2024-05-07 17:36         ` Daniel Vetter
2024-05-07 18:36           ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-05-07 20:07             ` Nicolas Dufresne
2024-05-08  8:36               ` Daniel Vetter
2024-05-08 21:51                 ` Laurent Pinchart [this message]
2024-05-08 21:52                   ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-05-13  8:29                 ` Maxime Ripard
2024-05-13  8:34                   ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-05-13 15:10                     ` Nicolas Dufresne
2024-05-14 20:42                       ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-05-15 17:43                         ` nicolas.dufresne
2024-05-16 11:27                           ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-05-16 17:11                             ` nicolas.dufresne
2024-05-21  8:43                               ` Maxime Ripard
2024-05-21 14:18                                 ` nicolas.dufresne
2024-05-16  7:00                         ` Simon Ser
2024-05-16 11:20                           ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-05-22 13:02                             ` Nicolas Dufresne
2024-05-13 13:42                   ` Nicolas Dufresne
2024-05-13 13:51                     ` Maxime Ripard
2024-05-13 15:06                       ` Nicolas Dufresne
2024-05-14 20:45                         ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-05-14 20:52                           ` Nicolas Dufresne

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=20240508215106.GA24860@pendragon.ideasonboard.com \
    --to=laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com \
    --cc=Brian.Starkey@arm.com \
    --cc=andrey.konovalov.ynk@gmail.com \
    --cc=benjamin.gaignard@collabora.com \
    --cc=bryan.odonoghue@linaro.org \
    --cc=christian.koenig@amd.com \
    --cc=daniel@ffwll.ch \
    --cc=dmitry.baryshkov@linaro.org \
    --cc=dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org \
    --cc=hdegoede@redhat.com \
    --cc=jstultz@google.com \
    --cc=linaro-mm-sig@lists.linaro.org \
    --cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=linux-media@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=mripard@redhat.com \
    --cc=mzamazal@redhat.com \
    --cc=mzxreary@0pointer.de \
    --cc=nicolas.dufresne@collabora.com \
    --cc=robert.mader@collabora.com \
    --cc=sebastien.bacher@canonical.com \
    --cc=sumit.semwal@linaro.org \
    --cc=tjmercier@google.com \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for read-only IMAP folder(s) and NNTP newsgroup(s).