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From: Niklas Schnelle <schnelle@linux.ibm.com>
To: Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@kernel.org>,
	Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@kernel.org>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
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Subject: Re: [RFC 01/32] Kconfig: introduce and depend on LEGACY_PCI
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2021 17:55:33 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e0877e91d7d50299ea5a3ffcee2cf1016458ce10.camel@linux.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20211229160317.GA1681139@bhelgaas>

On Wed, 2021-12-29 at 10:03 -0600, Bjorn Helgaas wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 29, 2021 at 01:12:07PM +0100, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote:
> > Em Wed, 29 Dec 2021 12:45:38 +0100
> > Niklas Schnelle <schnelle@linux.ibm.com> escreveu:
> > > ...
> > > I do think we agree that once done correctly there is value in
> > > such an option independent of HAS_IOPORT only gating inb() etc uses.
> 
> I'm not sure I'm convinced about this.  For s390, you could do this
> patch series, where you don't define inb() at all, and you add new
> dependencies to prevent compile errors.  Or you could define inb() to
> return ~0, which is what happens on other platforms when the device is
> not present.
> 
> > Personally, I don't see much value on a Kconfig var for legacy PCI I/O 
> > space. From maintenance PoV, bots won't be triggered if someone use
> > HAS_IOPORT instead of the PCI specific one - or vice-versa. So, we
> > could end having a mix of both at the wrong places, in long term.
> > 
> > Also, assuming that PCIe hardware will some day abandon support for 
> > "legacy" PCI I/O space, I guess some runtime logic would be needed, 
> > in order to work with both kinds of PCIe controllers. So, having a
> > Kconfig option won't help much, IMO.
> > 
> > So, my personal preference would be to have just one Kconfig var, but
> > I'm ok if the PCI maintainers decide otherwise.
> 
> I don't really like the "LEGACY_PCI" Kconfig option.  "Legacy" just
> means something old and out of favor; it doesn't say *what* that
> something is.
> 
> I think you're specifically interested in I/O port space usage, and it
> seems that you want all PCI drivers that *only* use I/O port space to
> depend on LEGACY_PCI?  Drivers that can use either I/O or memory
> space or both would not depend on LEGACY_PCI?  This seems a little
> murky and error-prone.

I'd like to hear Arnd's opinion on this but you're the PCI maintainer
so of course your buy-in would be quite important for such an option.

> 
> What if you used the approach from [1] but just dropped the warning?
> The inb() would return ~0 if the platform doesn't support I/O port
> space.  Drivers should be prepared to handle that because that's what
> happens if the device doesn't exist.

Hmm, in that mail Linus very clearly and specifically asked for this to
be a compile-time thing. So, if we do want to make it compile-time but
keep the potential errors to a minimum I guess just having HAS_IOPORT
might be valid compromise. It gets caught by bots through allyesconfig
or randconfig on HAS_IOPORT=n architectures. Also it has a nice
symmetry with the existing HAS_IOMEM. 

>  
> 
> HAS_IOPORT and LEGACY_PCI is a lot of Kconfiggery that basically just
> avoids building drivers that aren't useful on s390.  I'm not sure the
> benefit outweighs the complication.
> 
> Bjorn
> 
> [1] https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAHk-=wg80je=K7madF4e7WrRNp37e3qh6y10Svhdc7O8SZ_-8g@mail.gmail.com/
> 

Despite s390 I believe it would also affect nds32, um, h8300, nios2,
openrisc, hexagon, csky, and xtensa. But yes none of these is any less
niche than us. I do wonder if we will see a new drivers using I/O
ports?


  reply	other threads:[~2021-12-29 16:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 108+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-12-27 16:42 [RFC 00/32] Kconfig: Introduce HAS_IOPORT and LEGACY_PCI options Niklas Schnelle
2021-12-27 16:42 ` [RFC 01/32] Kconfig: introduce and depend on LEGACY_PCI Niklas Schnelle
2021-12-27 17:48   ` Guenter Roeck
2021-12-28  2:09   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-12-28  8:21   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-12-28  9:15     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-12-28 10:58       ` Niklas Schnelle
2021-12-28 12:01         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-12-28 12:54         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-12-28 15:06           ` Niklas Schnelle
2021-12-28 17:12             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-12-29 11:45               ` Niklas Schnelle
2021-12-29 12:12                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-12-29 16:03                   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2021-12-29 16:55                     ` Niklas Schnelle [this message]
2022-01-05 17:42                       ` John Garry
2022-01-05 19:47                         ` Bjorn Helgaas
2022-01-06 17:41                           ` John Garry
2022-01-06 18:14                             ` Bjorn Helgaas
2022-01-07 17:16                               ` John Garry
2022-01-10  9:34                             ` Niklas Schnelle
2021-12-27 16:42 ` [RFC 02/32] Kconfig: introduce HAS_IOPORT option and select it as necessary Niklas Schnelle
2021-12-28 10:08   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2021-12-29  1:20     ` Michael Schmitz
2021-12-29  3:41       ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-12-29  4:15         ` Michael Schmitz
2021-12-30  1:48           ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-12-30  3:44             ` Michael Schmitz
2021-12-31 11:28               ` Niklas Schnelle
2021-12-31 16:04               ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-12-31 21:55                 ` Michael Schmitz
2021-12-28 16:32   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-12-27 16:42 ` [RFC 03/32] ACPI: Kconfig: add HAS_IOPORT dependencies Niklas Schnelle
2021-12-27 16:47   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2021-12-27 17:02     ` Niklas Schnelle
2021-12-27 17:12       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2021-12-27 17:15         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2021-12-27 17:43           ` Niklas Schnelle
2021-12-28 15:20             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2021-12-28 16:31               ` Niklas Schnelle
2021-12-27 16:42 ` [RFC 04/32] parport: PC style parport depends on HAS_IOPORT Niklas Schnelle
2021-12-28 10:14   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2021-12-28 14:21     ` Niklas Schnelle
2021-12-29  2:58     ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-12-27 16:42 ` [RFC 05/32] char: impi, tpm: depend " Niklas Schnelle
2021-12-28 10:17   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2021-12-28 12:13     ` Niklas Schnelle
2021-12-27 16:42 ` [RFC 06/32] speakup: Kconfig: add HAS_IOPORT dependencies Niklas Schnelle
2021-12-27 17:52   ` Samuel Thibault
2021-12-27 16:42 ` [RFC 07/32] Input: gameport: add ISA and " Niklas Schnelle
2021-12-27 16:42 ` [RFC 08/32] comedi: Kconfig: add " Niklas Schnelle
2021-12-27 16:42 ` [RFC 09/32] sound: " Niklas Schnelle
2021-12-27 16:42 ` [RFC 10/32] i2c: " Niklas Schnelle
2021-12-28 10:21   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2021-12-28 12:13     ` Niklas Schnelle
2021-12-27 16:42 ` [RFC 11/32] Input: " Niklas Schnelle
2021-12-28 10:23   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2021-12-27 16:42 ` [RFC 12/32] iio: adc: " Niklas Schnelle
2021-12-28 10:32   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2021-12-28 12:50     ` Niklas Schnelle
2021-12-28 17:01       ` Jonathan Cameron
2022-01-30 15:05         ` Jonathan Cameron
2021-12-27 16:42 ` [RFC 13/32] hwmon: " Niklas Schnelle
2021-12-27 18:07   ` Guenter Roeck
2021-12-27 16:42 ` [RFC 14/32] leds: " Niklas Schnelle
2021-12-27 16:43 ` [RFC 15/32] media: " Niklas Schnelle
2021-12-27 16:43 ` [RFC 16/32] misc: handle " Niklas Schnelle
2021-12-28  8:15   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-12-27 16:43 ` [RFC 17/32] net: Kconfig: add " Niklas Schnelle
2021-12-27 17:28   ` Marc Kleine-Budde
2021-12-27 16:43 ` [RFC 18/32] pcmcia: " Niklas Schnelle
2021-12-27 18:41   ` Dominik Brodowski
2021-12-27 16:43 ` [RFC 19/32] platform: " Niklas Schnelle
2021-12-27 16:43 ` [RFC 20/32] pnp: " Niklas Schnelle
2021-12-27 16:43 ` [RFC 21/32] power: " Niklas Schnelle
2021-12-27 16:43 ` [RFC 22/32] video: handle " Niklas Schnelle
2021-12-27 16:43 ` [RFC 23/32] rtc: Kconfig: add " Niklas Schnelle
2021-12-27 16:43 ` [RFC 24/32] scsi: " Niklas Schnelle
2021-12-28 10:40   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2021-12-27 16:43 ` [RFC 25/32] watchdog: " Niklas Schnelle
2021-12-27 18:03   ` Guenter Roeck
2021-12-28  9:58     ` Niklas Schnelle
2021-12-27 16:43 ` [RFC 26/32] drm: handle " Niklas Schnelle
2022-01-03  6:11   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2021-12-27 16:43 ` [RFC 27/32] PCI/sysfs: make I/O resource depend on HAS_IOPORT Niklas Schnelle
2021-12-27 22:04   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2021-12-27 16:43 ` [RFC 28/32] PCI: make quirk using inw() " Niklas Schnelle
2021-12-27 22:33   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2021-12-28 15:25     ` Niklas Schnelle
2021-12-28 16:35       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2021-12-28 16:52         ` Niklas Schnelle
2021-12-28 17:28           ` Bjorn Helgaas
2021-12-27 16:43 ` [RFC 29/32] firmware: dmi-sysfs: handle HAS_IOPORT dependencies Niklas Schnelle
2021-12-27 16:43 ` [RFC 30/32] /dev/port: don't compile file operations without CONFIG_DEVPORT Niklas Schnelle
2021-12-28  8:17   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-12-29 10:25     ` Niklas Schnelle
2021-12-29 10:38       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-12-30 16:19         ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-12-27 16:43 ` [RFC 31/32] usb: handle HAS_IOPORT dependencies Niklas Schnelle
2021-12-27 20:36   ` Alan Stern
2021-12-31 11:06     ` Niklas Schnelle
2021-12-31 17:15       ` Alan Stern
2022-01-03 11:35         ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-01-03 16:15           ` Alan Stern
2021-12-27 16:43 ` [RFC 32/32] asm-generic/io.h: drop inb() etc for HAS_IOPORT=n Niklas Schnelle
2022-01-06 17:45 ` [RFC 00/32] Kconfig: Introduce HAS_IOPORT and LEGACY_PCI options John Garry
2022-01-07  7:21   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-01-07 16:57     ` John Garry

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