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From: Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at>
To: Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>
Cc: "Kees Cook" <keescook@chromium.org>,
	linux-hardening <linux-hardening@vger.kernel.org>,
	netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
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	senozhatsky <senozhatsky@chromium.org>,
	"Andy Shevchenko" <andriy.shevchenko@linux.intel.com>,
	"Rasmus Villemoes" <linux@rasmusvillemoes.dk>,
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	"Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	"Alex Gaynor" <alex.gaynor@gmail.com>,
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	"Boqun Feng" <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	"Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>,
	"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
	"Benno Lossin" <benno.lossin@proton.me>,
	"Alexei Starovoitov" <ast@kernel.org>,
	"Daniel Borkmann" <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	"Jesper Dangaard Brouer" <hawk@kernel.org>,
	"John Fastabend" <john.fastabend@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/1] Integer overflows while scanning for integers
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2023 18:12:11 +0200 (CEST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <520885538.3699431.1686240731083.JavaMail.zimbra@nod.at> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZIHzbBXlxEz6As9N@alley>

----- Ursprüngliche Mail -----
> Von: "Petr Mladek" <pmladek@suse.com>
> On Wed 2023-06-07 16:36:12, Kees Cook wrote:
>> On Thu, Jun 08, 2023 at 12:37:54AM +0200, Richard Weinberger wrote:
>> > Hi!
>> > 
>> > Lately I wondered whether users of integer scanning functions check
>> > for overflows.
>> > To detect such overflows around scanf I came up with the following
>> > patch. It simply triggers a WARN_ON_ONCE() upon an overflow.
>> > 
>> > After digging into various scanf users I found that the network device
>> > naming code can trigger an overflow.
>> > 
>> > e.g:
>> > $ ip link add 1 type veth peer name 9999999999
>> > $ ip link set name "%d" dev 1
>> > 
>> > It will trigger the following WARN_ON_ONCE():
>> > ------------[ cut here ]------------
>> > WARNING: CPU: 2 PID: 433 at lib/vsprintf.c:3701 vsscanf+0x6ce/0x990
>> 
>> Hm, it's considered a bug if a WARN or BUG can be reached from
>> userspace,
> 
> Good point. WARN() does not look like the right way in this case.

Well, the whole point of my RFC(!) patch is showing the issue and providing a way
to actually find such call sites, like the netdev code.
 
> Another problem is that some users use panic_on_warn. In this case,
> the above "ip" command calls would trigger panic(). And it does not
> look like an optimal behavior.

Only if we don't fix netdev code.
 
> I know there already are some WARN_ONs for similar situations, e.g.
> set_field_width() or set_precision(). But these do not get random
> values. And it would actually be nice to introduce something like
> INFO() that would be usable for these less serious problems where
> the backtrace is useful but they should never trigger panic().
> 
>> so this probably needs to be rearranged (or callers fixed).
>> Do we need to change the scanf API for sane use inside the kernel?
> 
> It seems that userspace implementation of sscanf() and vsscanf()
> returns -ERANGE in this case. It might be a reasonable solution.
> 
> Well, there is a risk of introducing security problems. The error
> value might cause an underflow/overflow when the caller does not expect
> a negative value.

Agreed. Without inspecting all users of scanf we cannot change the API.

> Alternative solution would be to update the "ip" code so that it
> reads the number separately and treat zero return value as
> -EINVAL.

The kernel needs fixing, not userspace.

Thanks,
//richard

  reply	other threads:[~2023-06-08 16:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-06-07 22:37 [RFC PATCH 0/1] Integer overflows while scanning for integers Richard Weinberger
2023-06-07 22:37 ` [RFC PATCH 1/1] vsprintf: Warn on integer scanning overflows Richard Weinberger
2023-06-08 14:27   ` Andy Shevchenko
2023-06-08 16:14     ` Richard Weinberger
2023-06-08 16:23       ` Andy Shevchenko
2023-06-12  6:16   ` kernel test robot
2023-06-07 23:36 ` [RFC PATCH 0/1] Integer overflows while scanning for integers Kees Cook
2023-06-08 15:27   ` Petr Mladek
2023-06-08 16:12     ` Richard Weinberger [this message]
2023-06-08 16:19     ` Greg KH
2023-06-08 16:23       ` Richard Weinberger
2023-06-09 10:10     ` Rasmus Villemoes
2023-06-09 17:02       ` Petr Mladek
2023-06-09 17:46         ` Linus Torvalds
2023-06-10 19:31       ` David Laight

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