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From: Marco Elver <elver@google.com>
To: Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	paulmck@kernel.org,
	 Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Dmitry Vyukov <dvyukov@google.com>,
	 syzbot <syzbot+b7c3ba8cdc2f6cf83c21@syzkaller.appspotmail.com>,
	 linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, syzkaller-bugs@googlegroups.com,
	 Nathan Chancellor <nathan@kernel.org>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@kernel.org>,
	Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	 Jiri Slaby <jirislaby@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3] tty: tty_io: remove hung_up_tty_fops
Date: Thu, 2 May 2024 19:20:25 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CANpmjNPtoKf1ysbKd=E8o753JT0DzBanzFBP234VBsazfufVAQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b13ab60e-503a-4c11-8a99-0ccccce33c6c@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>

On Thu, 2 May 2024 at 18:42, Tetsuo Handa
<penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp> wrote:
>
> On 2024/05/02 23:14, Marco Elver wrote:
> > I sent a patch to add the type qualifier - in a simple test I added it
> > does what we want:
> > https://lore.kernel.org/all/20240502141242.2765090-1-elver@google.com/T/#u
>
> Want some updates to Documentation/process/volatile-considered-harmful.rst
> because __data_racy is for patches to add volatile variables ?

This has nothing to do with volatile. It's merely an implementation
artifact that in CONFIG_KCSAN builds __data_racy translates to
"volatile": the compiler will emit special instrumentation for
volatile accesses so that KCSAN thinks they are "marked". However,
volatile is and has been an implementation detail of certain
primitives like READ_ONCE()/WRITE_ONCE(), although as a developer
using this interface we should not be concerned with the fact that
there's volatile underneath. In a perfect world the compiler would
give us a better "tool" than volatile, but we have to make do with the
tools we have at our disposal today.

>   Patches to remove volatile variables are generally welcome - as long as
>   they come with a justification which shows that the concurrency issues have
>   been properly thought through.

My suggestion is to forget about "volatile" and simply pretend it's
data_race() but as a type qualifier, like the bit of documentation I
added to Documentation/dev-tools/kcsan.rst in the patch.

> >
> > I'll leave it to Tetsuo to amend the original patch if __data_racy makes sense.
>
> OK if below change is acceptable.
>
> --- a/include/linux/fs.h
> +++ b/include/linux/fs.h
> @@ -1012,7 +1012,7 @@ struct file {
>         struct file_ra_state    f_ra;
>         struct path             f_path;
>         struct inode            *f_inode;       /* cached value */
> -       const struct file_operations    *f_op;
> +       const __data_racy struct file_operations   *f_op;
>
>         u64                     f_version;
>  #ifdef CONFIG_SECURITY
>
> Hmm, debugfs assumes that f_op does not change?
>
> fs/debugfs/file.c: In function 'full_proxy_release':
> fs/debugfs/file.c:357:45: warning: initialization discards 'volatile' qualifier from pointer target type [-Wdiscarded-qualifiers]
>   const struct file_operations *proxy_fops = filp->f_op;
>                                              ^~~~

Exactly as I pointed out elsewhere: pointers to __data_racy fields now
have to become __data_racy as well:

  const struct file_operations __data_racy *proxy_fops = filp->f_op;

should be what you want there. The type system is in fact helping us
here as intended. :-)

  reply	other threads:[~2024-05-02 17:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-04-21  8:18 [syzbot] [kernel?] KCSAN: data-race in __fput / __tty_hangup (4) syzbot
2023-04-21  8:21 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2023-04-21 15:12   ` Tetsuo Handa
2023-04-21 16:02     ` Tetsuo Handa
2023-04-23 23:34     ` Al Viro
2023-04-23 23:55       ` Tetsuo Handa
2023-04-24  0:44         ` Al Viro
2023-04-24  1:09           ` Tetsuo Handa
2023-04-25 14:47             ` Tetsuo Handa
2023-04-25 16:03               ` Al Viro
2023-04-25 22:09                 ` Tetsuo Handa
2023-04-26 11:05                   ` [PATCH] tty: tty_io: remove hung_up_tty_fops Tetsuo Handa
2023-04-28 16:27                     ` Nathan Chancellor
2023-04-28 16:41                       ` Tetsuo Handa
2023-04-28 17:11                         ` Al Viro
2023-04-29 10:43                           ` Tetsuo Handa
2023-04-28 17:31                         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2023-04-29 15:21                           ` Guenter Roeck
2023-05-01 18:42                             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2023-05-14  1:02                     ` [PATCH v2] " Tetsuo Handa
2023-05-30 10:44                       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2023-05-30 11:57                         ` Tetsuo Handa
2023-05-30 12:51                           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2024-04-27  6:20                             ` [PATCH v3] " Tetsuo Handa
2024-04-27 19:02                               ` Linus Torvalds
2024-04-28 10:19                                 ` Tetsuo Handa
2024-04-28 18:50                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2024-04-29 13:55                                     ` Marco Elver
2024-04-29 15:38                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2024-05-01 18:45                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-05-01 18:56                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2024-05-01 19:02                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-05-01 20:14                                               ` Marco Elver
2024-05-01 21:06                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-05-01 21:20                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2024-05-01 21:49                                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-05-01 22:32                                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-05-02 16:37                                                         ` Boqun Feng
2024-05-03 23:59                                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-05-04  0:14                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2024-05-04  5:08                                                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-05-04 17:50                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-05-04 18:18                                                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-05-04 19:11                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2024-05-04 19:25                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2024-05-04 22:17                                                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-05-04 22:04                                                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-05-02 14:14                                                   ` Marco Elver
2024-05-02 16:42                                                     ` Tetsuo Handa
2024-05-02 17:20                                                       ` Marco Elver [this message]
2024-05-02 17:29                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2024-05-02 18:14                                                         ` Al Viro
2024-05-02 19:29                                                           ` Marco Elver
2024-05-02 23:54                                                         ` Tetsuo Handa
2024-05-03  1:12                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2023-04-23 13:28   ` [syzbot] [kernel?] KCSAN: data-race in __fput / __tty_hangup (4) Tetsuo Handa
2023-04-23 14:00     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2023-04-23 14:03     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2023-04-23 14:17       ` Tetsuo Handa

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