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From: Mingwei Zhang <mizhang@google.com>
To: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
Cc: Dapeng Mi <dapeng1.mi@linux.intel.com>,
	Xiong Zhang <xiong.y.zhang@linux.intel.com>,
	pbonzini@redhat.com, peterz@infradead.org, kan.liang@intel.com,
	zhenyuw@linux.intel.com, jmattson@google.com,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-perf-users@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, zhiyuan.lv@intel.com,
	eranian@google.com, irogers@google.com, samantha.alt@intel.com,
	like.xu.linux@gmail.com, chao.gao@intel.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 23/41] KVM: x86/pmu: Implement the save/restore of PMU state for Intel CPU
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2024 21:41:01 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZiGTbZaDo9wrx5Mt@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZiGOzkLhQm57EPlx@google.com>

On Thu, Apr 18, 2024, Mingwei Zhang wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 15, 2024, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > On Mon, Apr 15, 2024, Mingwei Zhang wrote:
> > > On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 3:04 AM Mi, Dapeng <dapeng1.mi@linux.intel.com> wrote:
> > > > On 4/15/2024 2:06 PM, Mingwei Zhang wrote:
> > > > > On Fri, Apr 12, 2024 at 9:25 PM Mi, Dapeng <dapeng1.mi@linux.intel.com> wrote:
> > > > >>>> It's necessary to clear the EVENTSELx MSRs for both GP and fixed counters.
> > > > >>>> Considering this case, Guest uses GP counter 2, but Host doesn't use it. So
> > > > >>>> if the EVENTSEL2 MSR is not cleared here, the GP counter 2 would be enabled
> > > > >>>> unexpectedly on host later since Host perf always enable all validate bits
> > > > >>>> in PERF_GLOBAL_CTRL MSR. That would cause issues.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Yeah,  the clearing for PMCx MSR should be unnecessary .
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>> Why is clearing for PMCx MSR unnecessary? Do we want to leaking counter
> > > > >>> values to the host? NO. Not in cloud usage.
> > > > >> No, this place is clearing the guest counter value instead of host
> > > > >> counter value. Host always has method to see guest value in a normal VM
> > > > >> if he want. I don't see its necessity, it's just a overkill and
> > > > >> introduce extra overhead to write MSRs.
> > > > >>
> > > > > I am curious how the perf subsystem solves the problem? Does perf
> > > > > subsystem in the host only scrubbing the selector but not the counter
> > > > > value when doing the context switch?
> > > >
> > > > When context switch happens, perf code would schedule out the old events
> > > > and schedule in the new events. When scheduling out, the ENABLE bit of
> > > > EVENTSELx MSR would be cleared, and when scheduling in, the EVENTSELx
> > > > and PMCx MSRs would be overwritten with new event's attr.config and
> > > > sample_period separately.  Of course, these is only for the case when
> > > > there are new events to be programmed on the PMC. If no new events, the
> > > > PMCx MSR would keep stall value and won't be cleared.
> > > >
> > > > Anyway, I don't see any reason that PMCx MSR must be cleared.
> > > >
> > > 
> > > I don't have a strong opinion on the upstream version. But since both
> > > the mediated vPMU and perf are clients of PMU HW, leaving PMC values
> > > uncleared when transition out of the vPMU boundary is leaking info
> > > technically.
> > 
> > I'm not objecting to ensuring guest PMCs can't be read by any entity that's not
> > in the guest's TCB, which is what I would consider a true leak.  I'm objecting
> > to blindly clearing all PMCs, and more specifically objecting to *KVM* clearing
> > PMCs when saving guest state without coordinating with perf in any way.
> 
> Agree. blindly clearing PMCs is the basic implementation. I am thinking
> about what coordination between perf and KVM as well.
> 
> > 
> > I am ok if we start with (or default to) a "safe" implementation that zeroes all
> > PMCs when switching to host context, but I want KVM and perf to work together to
> > do the context switches, e.g. so that we don't end up with code where KVM writes
> > to all PMC MSRs and that perf also immediately writes to all PMC MSRs.
> 
> Sure. Point taken.
> > 
> > One my biggest complaints with the current vPMU code is that the roles and
> > responsibilities between KVM and perf are poorly defined, which leads to suboptimal
> > and hard to maintain code.
> 
> Right.
> > 
> > Case in point, I'm pretty sure leaving guest values in PMCs _would_ leak guest
> > state to userspace processes that have RDPMC permissions, as the PMCs might not
> > be dirty from perf's perspective (see perf_clear_dirty_counters()).
> > 
> 
> ah. This is a good point.
> 
> 		switch_mm_irqs_off() =>
> 		cr4_update_pce_mm() =>
> 		/*
> 		 * Clear the existing dirty counters to
> 		 * prevent the leak for an RDPMC task.
> 		 */

FYI, for the elaboration of "an RDPMC task".

when echo 2> /sys/devices/cpu/rdpmc, kernel set CR4.PCE to 1.

Once that is done, rdpmc instruction is no longer a priviledged
instruction. It is allowed for all tasks to execute in userspace.

Thanks.
-Mingwei
> 		perf_clear_dirty_counters()
> 
> So perf does clear dirty counter values on process context switch. This
> is nice to know.
> 
> perf_clear_dirty_counters() clear the counter values according to
> cpuc->dirty except for those assigned counters.
> 
> > Blindly clearing PMCs in KVM "solves" that problem, but in doing so makes the
> > overall code brittle because it's not clear whether KVM _needs_ to clear PMCs,
> > or if KVM is just being paranoid.
> 
> There is a difference between KVM and perf subsystem on PMU context
> switch. The latter has the notion of "perf_events", while the former
> currently does not. It is quite hard for KVM to know which counters are
> really "in use".
> 
> Another point I want to raise up to you is that, KVM PMU context switch
> and Perf PMU context switch happens at different timing:
> 
>  - The former is a context switch between guest/host state of the same
>    process, happening at VM-enter/exit boundary.
>  - The latter is a context switch beteen two host-level processes.
>  - The former happens before the latter.
>  - Current design has no PMC partitioning between host/guest due to
>    arch limitation.
> 
> From the above, I feel that it might be impossible to combine them or to
> add coordination? Unless we do the KVM PMU context switch at vcpu loop
> boundary...
> 
> Thanks.
> -Mingwei

  reply	other threads:[~2024-04-18 21:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 181+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-01-26  8:54 [RFC PATCH 00/41] KVM: x86/pmu: Introduce passthrough vPM Xiong Zhang
2024-01-26  8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 01/41] perf: x86/intel: Support PERF_PMU_CAP_VPMU_PASSTHROUGH Xiong Zhang
2024-04-11 17:04   ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-11 17:21     ` Liang, Kan
2024-04-11 17:24       ` Jim Mattson
2024-04-11 17:46         ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-11 19:13           ` Liang, Kan
2024-04-11 20:43             ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-11 21:04               ` Liang, Kan
2024-04-11 19:32           ` Sean Christopherson
2024-01-26  8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 02/41] perf: Support guest enter/exit interfaces Xiong Zhang
2024-03-20 16:40   ` Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2024-03-20 17:12     ` Liang, Kan
2024-04-11 18:06   ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-11 19:53     ` Liang, Kan
2024-04-12 19:17       ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-12 20:56         ` Liang, Kan
2024-04-15 16:03           ` Liang, Kan
2024-04-16  5:34             ` Zhang, Xiong Y
2024-04-16 12:48               ` Liang, Kan
2024-04-17  9:42                 ` Zhang, Xiong Y
2024-04-18 16:11                   ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-19  1:37                     ` Zhang, Xiong Y
2024-04-26  4:09       ` Zhang, Xiong Y
2024-01-26  8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 03/41] perf: Set exclude_guest onto nmi_watchdog Xiong Zhang
2024-04-11 18:56   ` Sean Christopherson
2024-01-26  8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 04/41] perf: core/x86: Add support to register a new vector for PMI handling Xiong Zhang
2024-04-11 17:10   ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-11 19:05     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-12  3:56     ` Zhang, Xiong Y
2024-04-13  1:17       ` Mi, Dapeng
2024-01-26  8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 05/41] KVM: x86/pmu: Register PMI handler for passthrough PMU Xiong Zhang
2024-04-11 19:07   ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-12  5:44     ` Zhang, Xiong Y
2024-01-26  8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 06/41] perf: x86: Add function to switch PMI handler Xiong Zhang
2024-04-11 19:17   ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-11 19:34     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-12  6:03       ` Zhang, Xiong Y
2024-04-12  5:57     ` Zhang, Xiong Y
2024-01-26  8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 07/41] perf/x86: Add interface to reflect virtual LVTPC_MASK bit onto HW Xiong Zhang
2024-04-11 19:21   ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-12  6:17     ` Zhang, Xiong Y
2024-01-26  8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 08/41] KVM: x86/pmu: Add get virtual LVTPC_MASK bit function Xiong Zhang
2024-04-11 19:22   ` Sean Christopherson
2024-01-26  8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 09/41] perf: core/x86: Forbid PMI handler when guest own PMU Xiong Zhang
2024-04-11 19:26   ` Sean Christopherson
2024-01-26  8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 10/41] perf: core/x86: Plumb passthrough PMU capability from x86_pmu to x86_pmu_cap Xiong Zhang
2024-01-26  8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 11/41] KVM: x86/pmu: Introduce enable_passthrough_pmu module parameter and propage to KVM instance Xiong Zhang
2024-04-11 20:54   ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-11 21:03   ` Sean Christopherson
2024-01-26  8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 12/41] KVM: x86/pmu: Plumb through passthrough PMU to vcpu for Intel CPUs Xiong Zhang
2024-04-11 20:57   ` Sean Christopherson
2024-01-26  8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 13/41] KVM: x86/pmu: Add a helper to check if passthrough PMU is enabled Xiong Zhang
2024-01-26  8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 14/41] KVM: x86/pmu: Allow RDPMC pass through Xiong Zhang
2024-01-26  8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 15/41] KVM: x86/pmu: Manage MSR interception for IA32_PERF_GLOBAL_CTRL Xiong Zhang
2024-04-11 21:21   ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-11 22:30     ` Jim Mattson
2024-04-11 23:27       ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-13  2:10       ` Mi, Dapeng
2024-01-26  8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 16/41] KVM: x86/pmu: Create a function prototype to disable MSR interception Xiong Zhang
2024-01-26  8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 17/41] KVM: x86/pmu: Implement pmu function for Intel CPU " Xiong Zhang
2024-01-26  8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 18/41] KVM: x86/pmu: Intercept full-width GP counter MSRs by checking with perf capabilities Xiong Zhang
2024-04-11 21:23   ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-11 21:50     ` Jim Mattson
2024-04-12 16:01       ` Sean Christopherson
2024-01-26  8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 19/41] KVM: x86/pmu: Whitelist PMU MSRs for passthrough PMU Xiong Zhang
2024-01-26  8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 20/41] KVM: x86/pmu: Introduce PMU operation prototypes for save/restore PMU context Xiong Zhang
2024-01-26  8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 21/41] KVM: x86/pmu: Introduce function prototype for Intel CPU to " Xiong Zhang
2024-01-26  8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 22/41] x86: Introduce MSR_CORE_PERF_GLOBAL_STATUS_SET for passthrough PMU Xiong Zhang
2024-01-26  8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 23/41] KVM: x86/pmu: Implement the save/restore of PMU state for Intel CPU Xiong Zhang
2024-04-11 21:26   ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-13  2:29     ` Mi, Dapeng
2024-04-11 21:44   ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-11 22:19     ` Jim Mattson
2024-04-11 23:31       ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-13  3:19         ` Mi, Dapeng
2024-04-13  3:03     ` Mi, Dapeng
2024-04-13  3:34       ` Mingwei Zhang
2024-04-13  4:25         ` Mi, Dapeng
2024-04-15  6:06           ` Mingwei Zhang
2024-04-15 10:04             ` Mi, Dapeng
2024-04-15 16:44               ` Mingwei Zhang
2024-04-15 17:38                 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-15 17:54                   ` Mingwei Zhang
2024-04-15 22:45                     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-22  2:14                       ` maobibo
2024-04-22 17:01                         ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-23  1:01                           ` maobibo
2024-04-23  2:44                             ` Mi, Dapeng
2024-04-23  2:53                               ` maobibo
2024-04-23  3:13                                 ` Mi, Dapeng
2024-04-23  3:26                                   ` maobibo
2024-04-23  3:59                                     ` Mi, Dapeng
2024-04-23  3:55                                   ` maobibo
2024-04-23  4:23                                     ` Mingwei Zhang
2024-04-23  6:08                                       ` maobibo
2024-04-23  6:45                                         ` Mi, Dapeng
2024-04-23  7:10                                           ` Mingwei Zhang
2024-04-23  8:24                                             ` Mi, Dapeng
2024-04-23  8:51                                               ` maobibo
2024-04-23 16:50                                               ` Mingwei Zhang
2024-04-23 12:12                                       ` maobibo
2024-04-23 17:02                                         ` Mingwei Zhang
2024-04-24  1:07                                           ` maobibo
2024-04-24  8:18                                           ` Mi, Dapeng
2024-04-24 15:00                                             ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-25  3:55                                               ` Mi, Dapeng
2024-04-25  4:24                                                 ` Mingwei Zhang
2024-04-25 16:13                                                   ` Liang, Kan
2024-04-25 20:16                                                     ` Mingwei Zhang
2024-04-25 20:43                                                       ` Liang, Kan
2024-04-25 21:46                                                         ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-26  1:46                                                           ` Mi, Dapeng
2024-04-26  3:12                                                             ` Mingwei Zhang
2024-04-26  4:02                                                               ` Mi, Dapeng
2024-04-26  4:46                                                                 ` Mingwei Zhang
2024-04-26 14:09                                                               ` Liang, Kan
2024-04-26 18:41                                                                 ` Mingwei Zhang
2024-04-26 19:06                                                                   ` Liang, Kan
2024-04-26 19:46                                                                     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-27  3:04                                                                       ` Mingwei Zhang
2024-04-28  0:58                                                                         ` Mi, Dapeng
2024-04-28  6:01                                                                           ` Mingwei Zhang
2024-04-29 17:44                                                                             ` Sean Christopherson
2024-05-01 17:43                                                                               ` Mingwei Zhang
2024-05-01 18:00                                                                                 ` Liang, Kan
2024-05-01 20:36                                                                                 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-29 13:08                                                                         ` Liang, Kan
2024-04-26 13:53                                                           ` Liang, Kan
2024-04-26  1:50                                                         ` Mi, Dapeng
2024-04-18 21:21                   ` Mingwei Zhang
2024-04-18 21:41                     ` Mingwei Zhang [this message]
2024-04-19  1:02                     ` Mi, Dapeng
2024-01-26  8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 24/41] KVM: x86/pmu: Zero out unexposed Counters/Selectors to avoid information leakage Xiong Zhang
2024-04-11 21:36   ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-11 21:56     ` Jim Mattson
2024-01-26  8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 25/41] KVM: x86/pmu: Introduce macro PMU_CAP_PERF_METRICS Xiong Zhang
2024-01-26  8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 26/41] KVM: x86/pmu: Add host_perf_cap field in kvm_caps to record host PMU capability Xiong Zhang
2024-04-11 21:49   ` Sean Christopherson
2024-01-26  8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 27/41] KVM: x86/pmu: Clear PERF_METRICS MSR for guest Xiong Zhang
2024-04-11 21:50   ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-13  3:29     ` Mi, Dapeng
2024-01-26  8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 28/41] KVM: x86/pmu: Switch IA32_PERF_GLOBAL_CTRL at VM boundary Xiong Zhang
2024-04-11 21:54   ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-11 22:10     ` Jim Mattson
2024-04-11 22:54       ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-11 23:08         ` Jim Mattson
2024-01-26  8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 29/41] KVM: x86/pmu: Exclude existing vLBR logic from the passthrough PMU Xiong Zhang
2024-01-26  8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 30/41] KVM: x86/pmu: Switch PMI handler at KVM context switch boundary Xiong Zhang
2024-01-26  8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 31/41] KVM: x86/pmu: Call perf_guest_enter() at PMU context switch Xiong Zhang
2024-01-26  8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 32/41] KVM: x86/pmu: Add support for PMU context switch at VM-exit/enter Xiong Zhang
2024-01-26  8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 33/41] KVM: x86/pmu: Make check_pmu_event_filter() an exported function Xiong Zhang
2024-01-26  8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 34/41] KVM: x86/pmu: Intercept EVENT_SELECT MSR Xiong Zhang
2024-04-11 21:55   ` Sean Christopherson
2024-01-26  8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 35/41] KVM: x86/pmu: Allow writing to event selector for GP counters if event is allowed Xiong Zhang
2024-01-26  8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 36/41] KVM: x86/pmu: Intercept FIXED_CTR_CTRL MSR Xiong Zhang
2024-04-11 21:56   ` Sean Christopherson
2024-01-26  8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 37/41] KVM: x86/pmu: Allow writing to fixed counter selector if counter is exposed Xiong Zhang
2024-04-11 22:03   ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-13  4:12     ` Mi, Dapeng
2024-01-26  8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 38/41] KVM: x86/pmu: Introduce PMU helper to increment counter Xiong Zhang
2024-01-26  8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 39/41] KVM: x86/pmu: Implement emulated counter increment for passthrough PMU Xiong Zhang
2024-04-11 23:12   ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-11 23:17     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-01-26  8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 40/41] KVM: x86/pmu: Separate passthrough PMU logic in set/get_msr() from non-passthrough vPMU Xiong Zhang
2024-04-11 23:18   ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-18 21:54     ` Mingwei Zhang
2024-01-26  8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 41/41] KVM: nVMX: Add nested virtualization support for passthrough PMU Xiong Zhang
2024-04-11 23:21   ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-11 17:03 ` [RFC PATCH 00/41] KVM: x86/pmu: Introduce passthrough vPM Sean Christopherson
2024-04-12  2:19   ` Zhang, Xiong Y
2024-04-12 18:32     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-15  1:06       ` Zhang, Xiong Y
2024-04-15 15:05         ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-16  5:11           ` Zhang, Xiong Y
2024-04-18 20:46   ` Mingwei Zhang
2024-04-18 21:52     ` Mingwei Zhang
2024-04-19 19:14     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-19 22:02       ` Mingwei Zhang
2024-04-11 23:25 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-11 23:56   ` Mingwei Zhang

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