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From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
To: Pavel Begunkov <asml.silence@gmail.com>
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	"Mina Almasry" <almasrymina@google.com>,
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH net-next v8 02/14] net: page_pool: create hooks for custom page providers
Date: Wed, 8 May 2024 08:51:17 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZjufddNVJs5Csaix@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1e2823db-504b-4829-856f-3f45a45ccada@gmail.com>

On Wed, May 08, 2024 at 12:35:52PM +0100, Pavel Begunkov wrote:
> > all these, because e.g. ttm internally does have a page pool because
> > depending upon allocator, that's indeed beneficial. Other drm drivers have
> > more buffer-based concepts for opportunistically memory around, usually
> > by marking buffers that are just kept as cache as purgeable (which is a
> > concept that goes all the way to opengl/vulkan).
> 
> Because in this case it solves nothing and helps with nothing, quite
> the opposite. Just as well we can ask why NVMe doesn't wrap user pages
> into a dmabuf while doing IO.

You seem to confused totally unrelated things.

For short-term pins, that is pin_user_pages without FOLL_LONGTERM there
would never be any point in using a dmabuf as the pin is transient.  For
long-term pin dmabufs in the block layer absolutely make sense, and I
wish io_uring would have just implemented them from the start instead of
the current fixed buffers that are not quite as useful by not
pre-mapping DMA and not supporting P2P.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-05-08 15:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-04-03  0:20 [RFC PATCH net-next v8 00/14] Device Memory TCP Mina Almasry
2024-04-03  0:20 ` [RFC PATCH net-next v8 01/14] queue_api: define queue api Mina Almasry
2024-04-03  0:20 ` [RFC PATCH net-next v8 02/14] net: page_pool: create hooks for custom page providers Mina Almasry
2024-05-01  7:54   ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-05-03 20:10     ` Mina Almasry
2024-05-06 12:04       ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-05-07 16:05         ` Pavel Begunkov
2024-05-07 16:18           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-07 16:23             ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-05-07 16:42               ` Mina Almasry
2024-05-07 16:48                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-07 17:19                   ` Daniel Vetter
2024-05-07 17:25                   ` Pavel Begunkov
2024-05-07 17:56                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-07 19:35                       ` Pavel Begunkov
2024-05-07 23:32                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-08  7:16                           ` Daniel Vetter
2024-05-08 11:35                             ` Pavel Begunkov
2024-05-08 15:34                               ` Daniel Vetter
2024-05-08 15:51                               ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2024-05-08 17:02                                 ` Pavel Begunkov
2024-05-09  4:49                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-05-08 11:30                           ` Pavel Begunkov
2024-05-08 14:25                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-08 15:44                               ` Pavel Begunkov
2024-05-08 15:58                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-08 16:13                                   ` Pavel Begunkov
2024-05-07 17:17                 ` Pavel Begunkov
2024-05-07 16:55               ` Pavel Begunkov
2024-05-07 17:15                 ` Mina Almasry
2024-05-07 17:34                   ` Pavel Begunkov
2024-04-03  0:20 ` [RFC PATCH net-next v8 03/14] net: netdev netlink api to bind dma-buf to a net device Mina Almasry
2024-04-03  0:20 ` [RFC PATCH net-next v8 04/14] netdev: support binding dma-buf to netdevice Mina Almasry
2024-04-24 17:35   ` David Wei
2024-04-24 22:11     ` Mina Almasry
2024-04-03  0:20 ` [RFC PATCH net-next v8 05/14] netdev: netdevice devmem allocator Mina Almasry
2024-04-03  0:20 ` [RFC PATCH net-next v8 06/14] page_pool: convert to use netmem Mina Almasry
2024-04-03 17:27   ` Simon Horman
2024-04-03  0:20 ` [RFC PATCH net-next v8 07/14] page_pool: devmem support Mina Almasry
2024-04-27  0:17   ` David Wei
2024-04-27  2:11     ` Mina Almasry
2024-04-30 13:31       ` Pavel Begunkov
2024-04-30 13:45       ` Jens Axboe
2024-04-30 18:29         ` Mina Almasry
2024-04-30 18:55           ` Jens Axboe
2024-04-30 19:19             ` Mina Almasry
2024-05-01 13:58             ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2024-05-01  7:55     ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-05-06  0:29       ` David Wei
2024-04-03  0:20 ` [RFC PATCH net-next v8 08/14] memory-provider: dmabuf devmem memory provider Mina Almasry
2024-04-03  0:20 ` [RFC PATCH net-next v8 09/14] net: support non paged skb frags Mina Almasry
2024-04-03  0:20 ` [RFC PATCH net-next v8 10/14] net: add support for skbs with unreadable frags Mina Almasry
2024-04-03  0:20 ` [RFC PATCH net-next v8 11/14] tcp: RX path for devmem TCP Mina Almasry
2024-04-03  0:20 ` [RFC PATCH net-next v8 12/14] net: add SO_DEVMEM_DONTNEED setsockopt to release RX frags Mina Almasry
2024-04-03  0:20 ` [RFC PATCH net-next v8 13/14] net: add devmem TCP documentation Mina Almasry
2024-05-03 13:14   ` Bagas Sanjaya
2024-04-03  0:20 ` [RFC PATCH net-next v8 14/14] selftests: add ncdevmem, netcat for devmem TCP Mina Almasry
2024-04-08 15:57   ` Cong Wang

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