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From: Dario Faggioli <dario.faggioli@citrix.com>
To: "Wu, Feng" <feng.wu@intel.com>
Cc: "Tian, Kevin" <kevin.tian@intel.com>,
	"keir@xen.org" <keir@xen.org>,
	"george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com" <george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com>,
	"andrew.cooper3@citrix.com" <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>,
	xen-devel <xen-devel@lists.xen.org>,
	"jbeulich@suse.com" <jbeulich@suse.com>,
	"Zhang, Yang Z" <yang.z.zhang@intel.com>
Subject: Re: Fwd: [v3 14/15] Update Posted-Interrupts Descriptor during vCPU scheduling
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 10:18:24 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1436429904.22672.269.camel@citrix.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E959C4978C3B6342920538CF579893F0025FDEA4@SHSMSX104.ccr.corp.intel.com>


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On Thu, 2015-07-09 at 03:09 +0000, Wu, Feng wrote:

> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dario Faggioli [mailto:dario.faggioli@citrix.com]

> > In fact, looking at how, where and what for, runstetes are used, that
> > really does not feel right, at least to me. What you seem to be
> > interested is whether a vCPU blocks and/or unblocks
> 
> Not just blocks, unblocks, we need to track the state transition, and
> update posted-interrupt descriptor accordingly.
> 
And why is that so? What is it that runstates gives you, that you don't
find where I'm suggesting to look? What's so in specific need of knowing
the runstate?

>  Runstates are an
> > abstraction, build up on top of (mostly) pause_flags, like _VPF_blocked
> > (look at how runstate is updated).
> > 
> > I think you should not build on top of such abstraction, but on top of
> > pause_flags directly.
> 
> I don't think building on top of vCPU state is not suitable for my case,
> the abstraction is there, why cannot people use it?
> 
Because, IMO, your stuff is a low level feature, and it does not feel
right to me to build low level feature on top or (quite) high level
abstraction, such as runstates.

The fact that your feature is arch specific is quite a clear sign of
that. Runstates aren't. Actually, very few of what is in schedule.c is.
A notable exception is the low level context switching logic... and, in
fact, that's exactly where I think your stuff should leave, if possible
(and it looks possible to me (I take counterexamples, of course).

And it's not an aesthetic and/or some kind of 'layering violation' issue
(although, it certainly is one, and it makes the code harder to
understand and follow, both wrt your own feature, and in general), it
really looks like calling for problems and potential maintenance issues.

Anyway, I guess this is George's call. Let's see if/when he finds some
time to give us an opinion. :-)

Regards,
Dario
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Thread overview: 155+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-06-24  5:18 [v3 00/15] Add VT-d Posted-Interrupts support Feng Wu
2015-06-24  5:18 ` [v3 01/15] Vt-d Posted-intterrupt (PI) design Feng Wu
2015-06-24  6:15   ` Meng Xu
2015-06-24  6:19     ` Wu, Feng
2015-07-08  7:21   ` Tian, Kevin
2015-07-08  7:29     ` Wu, Feng
2015-06-24  5:18 ` [v3 02/15] Add helper macro for X86_FEATURE_CX16 feature detection Feng Wu
2015-06-24 17:31   ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-08  7:23   ` Tian, Kevin
2015-06-24  5:18 ` [v3 03/15] Add cmpxchg16b support for x86-64 Feng Wu
2015-06-24 18:35   ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-08  7:06     ` Wu, Feng
2015-07-08  8:12       ` Jan Beulich
2015-07-08  8:33         ` Wu, Feng
2015-07-08  8:43           ` Jan Beulich
2015-07-08  8:50             ` Wu, Feng
2015-07-08  8:50         ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-10 12:57   ` Jan Beulich
2015-06-24  5:18 ` [v3 04/15] iommu: Add iommu_intpost to control VT-d Posted-Interrupts feature Feng Wu
2015-06-25  9:06   ` Andrew Cooper
2015-06-25  9:47     ` Wu, Feng
2015-06-25 10:16       ` Andrew Cooper
2015-06-25 12:47         ` Wu, Feng
2015-07-08  7:30   ` Tian, Kevin
2015-06-24  5:18 ` [v3 05/15] vt-d: VT-d Posted-Interrupts feature detection Feng Wu
2015-06-25 10:21   ` Andrew Cooper
2015-06-25 13:02     ` Wu, Feng
2015-07-08  7:32   ` Tian, Kevin
2015-07-08  8:00     ` Wu, Feng
2015-06-24  5:18 ` [v3 06/15] vmx: Extend struct pi_desc to support VT-d Posted-Interrupts Feng Wu
2015-06-29 15:04   ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-08  7:48   ` Tian, Kevin
2015-07-10 13:08   ` Jan Beulich
2015-07-15  2:40     ` Wu, Feng
2015-07-15  8:20       ` Jan Beulich
2015-07-15  8:26         ` Wu, Feng
2015-07-15  8:36           ` Jan Beulich
2015-07-15  8:43             ` Wu, Feng
2015-07-15  9:28               ` Jan Beulich
2015-07-15  9:30                 ` Wu, Feng
2015-07-15  3:13     ` Wu, Feng
2015-06-24  5:18 ` [v3 07/15] vmx: Initialize VT-d Posted-Interrupts Descriptor Feng Wu
2015-06-29 15:32   ` Andrew Cooper
2015-06-30  1:46     ` Wu, Feng
2015-06-30  2:32     ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-08  7:53   ` Tian, Kevin
2015-06-24  5:18 ` [v3 08/15] Suppress posting interrupts when 'SN' is set Feng Wu
2015-06-29 15:41   ` Andrew Cooper
2015-06-30  1:48     ` Wu, Feng
2015-07-08  9:06   ` Tian, Kevin
2015-07-08 10:11     ` Wu, Feng
2015-07-08 11:31       ` Tian, Kevin
2015-07-08 11:58         ` Wu, Feng
2015-07-10 13:20   ` Jan Beulich
2015-06-24  5:18 ` [v3 09/15] vt-d: Extend struct iremap_entry to support VT-d Posted-Interrupts Feng Wu
2015-06-29 16:04   ` Andrew Cooper
2015-06-30  1:52     ` Wu, Feng
2015-07-08  9:10   ` Tian, Kevin
2015-07-10 13:27   ` Jan Beulich
2015-06-24  5:18 ` [v3 10/15] vt-d: Add API to update IRTE when VT-d PI is used Feng Wu
2015-06-29 16:22   ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-08  9:59   ` Tian, Kevin
2015-07-08 10:12     ` Wu, Feng
2015-07-10 14:01   ` Jan Beulich
2015-07-15  6:04     ` Wu, Feng
2015-07-15  8:24       ` Jan Beulich
2015-07-15  8:38         ` Wu, Feng
2015-07-15  8:46           ` Jan Beulich
2015-07-15  8:55             ` Wu, Feng
2015-07-15  9:32               ` Jan Beulich
2015-06-24  5:18 ` [v3 11/15] Update IRTE according to guest interrupt config changes Feng Wu
2015-06-29 16:46   ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-08 10:22   ` Tian, Kevin
2015-07-08 10:31     ` Wu, Feng
2015-07-08 11:46       ` Tian, Kevin
2015-07-08 11:52         ` Wu, Feng
2015-07-08 11:54           ` Tian, Kevin
2015-07-10 14:23   ` Jan Beulich
2015-06-24  5:18 ` [v3 12/15] vmx: posted-interrupt handling when vCPU is blocked Feng Wu
2015-06-29 17:07   ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-08 10:36     ` Wu, Feng
2015-07-08 10:48       ` Jan Beulich
     [not found]   ` <559181F9.6020106@citrix.com>
2015-06-30  2:51     ` Fwd: " Dario Faggioli
2015-06-30  2:59       ` Wu, Feng
2015-06-30  9:46         ` Dario Faggioli
2015-06-30 10:11   ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-01 13:26     ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-02  4:27       ` Wu, Feng
2015-07-02  8:30         ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-02  8:58           ` Wu, Feng
2015-07-02 10:09             ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-02 10:41               ` Wu, Feng
2015-07-02 10:30           ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-02 10:56             ` Wu, Feng
2015-07-02 12:04             ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-02 12:10               ` Wu, Feng
2015-07-02 12:16               ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-02 12:38                 ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-02 12:59                   ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-03  1:33                     ` Wu, Feng
2015-07-02  4:25     ` Wu, Feng
2015-07-08 11:00   ` Tian, Kevin
2015-07-08 11:02     ` Wu, Feng
2015-07-08 12:46     ` Jan Beulich
2015-07-08 13:09       ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-08 22:49         ` Tian, Kevin
2015-07-09  7:25           ` Jan Beulich
2015-07-10  6:21             ` Wu, Feng
2015-07-10  6:32               ` Jan Beulich
2015-07-10  7:29                 ` Wu, Feng
2015-07-10  8:49                   ` Jan Beulich
2015-07-10  8:57                     ` Wu, Feng
2015-07-08 22:31       ` Tian, Kevin
2015-06-24  5:18 ` [v3 13/15] vmx: Properly handle notification event when vCPU is running Feng Wu
2015-07-08 11:03   ` Tian, Kevin
2015-07-10 14:40   ` Jan Beulich
2015-06-24  5:18 ` [v3 14/15] Update Posted-Interrupts Descriptor during vCPU scheduling Feng Wu
     [not found]   ` <55918214.4030102@citrix.com>
2015-06-30  2:58     ` Fwd: " Dario Faggioli
2015-07-02  4:32       ` Wu, Feng
2015-07-02  4:34         ` Wu, Feng
2015-07-02  8:20         ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-09  3:09           ` Wu, Feng
2015-07-09  8:18             ` Dario Faggioli [this message]
2015-07-09 11:19             ` George Dunlap
2015-07-09 11:29               ` George Dunlap
2015-07-09 11:38               ` Wu, Feng
2015-07-09 12:42                 ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-10  0:07                   ` Wu, Feng
2015-07-10 12:40                     ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-10 13:47                       ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2015-07-10 13:59                         ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-09 12:53                 ` George Dunlap
2015-07-09 13:44                   ` Jan Beulich
2015-07-09 14:18                     ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-09 14:27                       ` George Dunlap
2015-07-09 14:47                         ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-10  5:59                         ` Wu, Feng
2015-07-10  6:22                           ` Jan Beulich
2015-07-10 11:05                             ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-14  5:44                               ` Wu, Feng
2015-07-14 14:08                               ` Wu, Feng
2015-07-14 14:54                                 ` Jan Beulich
2015-07-14 15:20                                   ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-14 16:41                                     ` George Dunlap
2015-07-14 16:02                                 ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-15  0:54                                   ` Wu, Feng
2015-07-17  7:46                                   ` Wu, Feng
2015-07-17 10:13                                     ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-17 22:57                                       ` Wu, Feng
2015-07-18 13:43                                         ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-10  0:15                   ` Wu, Feng
2015-07-08 11:24   ` Tian, Kevin
2015-07-10 14:48   ` Jan Beulich
2015-06-24  5:18 ` [v3 15/15] Add a command line parameter for VT-d posted-interrupts Feng Wu
2015-07-08 11:25   ` Tian, Kevin

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