* hostile freenode takeover
@ 2021-05-19 16:49 Jasper Orschulko
2021-05-19 16:56 ` [yocto] " Nicolas Dechesne
0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Jasper Orschulko @ 2021-05-19 16:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: yocto@lists.yoctoproject.org
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Dear all,
there have been recent reports of a hostile takeover of the freenode
service, as described in
https://gist.github.com/joepie91/df80d8d36cd9d1bde46ba018af497409
The Yocto Project should verify these reports and take the necessary
actions, in order to protect its users.
- --
With best regards
Jasper Orschulko
DevOps Engineer
Tel. +49 30 58 58 14 265
Fax +49 30 58 58 14 999
Jasper.Orschulko@iris-sensing.com
• • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • •
iris-GmbH
infrared & intelligent sensors
Ostendstraße 1-14 | 12459 Berlin
https://iris-sensing.com/
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* Re: [yocto] hostile freenode takeover
2021-05-19 16:49 hostile freenode takeover Jasper Orschulko
@ 2021-05-19 16:56 ` Nicolas Dechesne
2021-05-19 17:04 ` Joe MacDonald
2021-05-19 17:09 ` Khem Raj
0 siblings, 2 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Nicolas Dechesne @ 2021-05-19 16:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jasper Orschulko; +Cc: yocto@lists.yoctoproject.org
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On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 6:49 PM Jasper Orschulko <
Jasper.Orschulko@iris-sensing.com> wrote:
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> Dear all,
>
> there have been recent reports of a hostile takeover of the freenode
> service, as described in
> https://gist.github.com/joepie91/df80d8d36cd9d1bde46ba018af497409
>
> The Yocto Project should verify these reports and take the necessary
> actions, in order to protect its users.
>
Thanks for your email. We are aware, and have started to look into that.
It looks like some open source communities have started to move to
https://www.oftc.net/ or https://libera.chat/.. If anyone wants to bring
any insights or recommendations... feel free!
>
> - --
> With best regards
>
> Jasper Orschulko
> DevOps Engineer
>
> Tel. +49 30 58 58 14 265
> Fax +49 30 58 58 14 999
> Jasper.Orschulko@iris-sensing.com
>
> • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • •
>
> iris-GmbH
> infrared & intelligent sensors
> Ostendstraße 1-14 | 12459 Berlin
>
> https://iris-sensing.com/
>
>
>
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* Re: [yocto] hostile freenode takeover
2021-05-19 16:56 ` [yocto] " Nicolas Dechesne
@ 2021-05-19 17:04 ` Joe MacDonald
2021-05-19 17:09 ` Khem Raj
1 sibling, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Joe MacDonald @ 2021-05-19 17:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Nicolas Dechesne; +Cc: Jasper Orschulko, yocto@lists.yoctoproject.org
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OFTC is very good, IMO. It's been reliable, well managed, provides a good
selection of services, provides a web client for anyone not particularly
familiar with IRC clients, and supports SSL + CertFP in addition to
standard auth mechanisms.
-J.
On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 12:56 PM Nicolas Dechesne <
nicolas.dechesne@linaro.org> wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 6:49 PM Jasper Orschulko <
> Jasper.Orschulko@iris-sensing.com> wrote:
>
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> there have been recent reports of a hostile takeover of the freenode
>> service, as described in
>> https://gist.github.com/joepie91/df80d8d36cd9d1bde46ba018af497409
>>
>> The Yocto Project should verify these reports and take the necessary
>> actions, in order to protect its users.
>>
>
> Thanks for your email. We are aware, and have started to look into that.
>
> It looks like some open source communities have started to move to
> https://www.oftc.net/ or https://libera.chat/.. If anyone wants to bring
> any insights or recommendations... feel free!
>
>
>>
>> - --
>> With best regards
>>
>> Jasper Orschulko
>> DevOps Engineer
>>
>> Tel. +49 30 58 58 14 265
>> Fax +49 30 58 58 14 999
>> Jasper.Orschulko@iris-sensing.com
>>
>> • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • •
>>
>> iris-GmbH
>> infrared & intelligent sensors
>> Ostendstraße 1-14 | 12459 Berlin
>>
>> https://iris-sensing.com/
>>
>>
>>
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Joe MacDonald
:wq
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* Re: [yocto] hostile freenode takeover
2021-05-19 16:56 ` [yocto] " Nicolas Dechesne
2021-05-19 17:04 ` Joe MacDonald
@ 2021-05-19 17:09 ` Khem Raj
2021-05-20 8:16 ` Quentin Schulz
1 sibling, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Khem Raj @ 2021-05-19 17:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Nicolas Dechesne; +Cc: Jasper Orschulko, yocto@lists.yoctoproject.org
On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 9:56 AM Nicolas Dechesne
<nicolas.dechesne@linaro.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 6:49 PM Jasper Orschulko <Jasper.Orschulko@iris-sensing.com> wrote:
>>
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> Hash: SHA256
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> there have been recent reports of a hostile takeover of the freenode
>> service, as described in
>> https://gist.github.com/joepie91/df80d8d36cd9d1bde46ba018af497409
>>
>> The Yocto Project should verify these reports and take the necessary
>> actions, in order to protect its users.
>
>
> Thanks for your email. We are aware, and have started to look into that.
>
> It looks like some open source communities have started to move to https://www.oftc.net/ or https://libera.chat/.. If anyone wants to bring any insights or recommendations... feel free!
perhaps good time to consider matrix
>
>>
>>
>> - --
>> With best regards
>>
>> Jasper Orschulko
>> DevOps Engineer
>>
>> Tel. +49 30 58 58 14 265
>> Fax +49 30 58 58 14 999
>> Jasper.Orschulko@iris-sensing.com
>>
>> • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • •
>>
>> iris-GmbH
>> infrared & intelligent sensors
>> Ostendstraße 1-14 | 12459 Berlin
>>
>> https://iris-sensing.com/
>>
>>
>>
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* Re: [yocto] hostile freenode takeover
2021-05-19 17:09 ` Khem Raj
@ 2021-05-20 8:16 ` Quentin Schulz
2021-05-20 8:32 ` Nicolas Dechesne
0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Quentin Schulz @ 2021-05-20 8:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Khem Raj; +Cc: Nicolas Dechesne, Jasper Orschulko, yocto@lists.yoctoproject.org
Hi Khem, all,
On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 10:09:12AM -0700, Khem Raj wrote:
> On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 9:56 AM Nicolas Dechesne
> <nicolas.dechesne@linaro.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 6:49 PM Jasper Orschulko <Jasper.Orschulko@iris-sensing.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> >> Hash: SHA256
> >>
> >> Dear all,
> >>
> >> there have been recent reports of a hostile takeover of the freenode
> >> service, as described in
> >> https://gist.github.com/joepie91/df80d8d36cd9d1bde46ba018af497409
> >>
> >> The Yocto Project should verify these reports and take the necessary
> >> actions, in order to protect its users.
> >
> >
> > Thanks for your email. We are aware, and have started to look into that.
> >
> > It looks like some open source communities have started to move to https://www.oftc.net/ or https://libera.chat/.. If anyone wants to bring any insights or recommendations... feel free!
>
> perhaps good time to consider matrix
>
I disagree. Matrix just does not work. I've been using with a few
friends with mixed homeservers, chat.privacytools.io, matrix.org,
converser.eu and self-hosted homeservers... I've sometimes not received
tens of messages in a row, usually for a duration of at least 15 mins
and there's obviously no indication whatsoever that I didn't receive
messages except that the discussion does not make sense at all. And this
happened to three other people on the room, each on a different homeserver
than the other, so not a PEBKAC :) Sometimes there are delays for
messages too (I've seen 30min delays), so the whole context is lost.
For a federated chat solution, that's really a bummer that its main
feature is just so buggy it's unusable.
If YP is ok with potentially not receiving questions or having people
ask questions and not receive answers, then fine by me :)
I'm probably among the small (?) minority of people experiencing those
issues but that's not a bet I'd take with my projects.
My 2¢.
Cheers,
Quentin
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* Re: [yocto] hostile freenode takeover
2021-05-20 8:16 ` Quentin Schulz
@ 2021-05-20 8:32 ` Nicolas Dechesne
2021-05-20 10:18 ` Yocto
2021-05-20 12:55 ` Philip Balister
0 siblings, 2 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Nicolas Dechesne @ 2021-05-20 8:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Quentin Schulz; +Cc: Khem Raj, Jasper Orschulko, yocto@lists.yoctoproject.org
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On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 10:16 AM Quentin Schulz <
quentin.schulz@streamunlimited.com> wrote:
> Hi Khem, all,
>
> On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 10:09:12AM -0700, Khem Raj wrote:
> > On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 9:56 AM Nicolas Dechesne
> > <nicolas.dechesne@linaro.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 6:49 PM Jasper Orschulko <
> Jasper.Orschulko@iris-sensing.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > >> Hash: SHA256
> > >>
> > >> Dear all,
> > >>
> > >> there have been recent reports of a hostile takeover of the freenode
> > >> service, as described in
> > >> https://gist.github.com/joepie91/df80d8d36cd9d1bde46ba018af497409
> > >>
> > >> The Yocto Project should verify these reports and take the necessary
> > >> actions, in order to protect its users.
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks for your email. We are aware, and have started to look into
> that.
> > >
> > > It looks like some open source communities have started to move to
> https://www.oftc.net/ or https://libera.chat/.. If anyone wants to bring
> any insights or recommendations... feel free!
> >
> > perhaps good time to consider matrix
> >
>
> I disagree. Matrix just does not work. I've been using with a few
> friends with mixed homeservers, chat.privacytools.io, matrix.org,
> converser.eu and self-hosted homeservers... I've sometimes not received
> tens of messages in a row, usually for a duration of at least 15 mins
> and there's obviously no indication whatsoever that I didn't receive
> messages except that the discussion does not make sense at all. And this
> happened to three other people on the room, each on a different homeserver
> than the other, so not a PEBKAC :) Sometimes there are delays for
> messages too (I've seen 30min delays), so the whole context is lost.
>
> For a federated chat solution, that's really a bummer that its main
> feature is just so buggy it's unusable.
>
> If YP is ok with potentially not receiving questions or having people
> ask questions and not receive answers, then fine by me :)
>
> I'm probably among the small (?) minority of people experiencing those
> issues but that's not a bet I'd take with my projects.
>
> My 2¢.
>
I think the question of setting up Matrix for our community is a valid
question, though I think it's orthogonal to the current problem. If
freenode goes away , we need an alternate plan to move *right away* to
another IRC server. If we want to setup addition communications means (such
as Matrix or anything else) that needs to be discussed and it might take
more time.
>
> Cheers,
> Quentin
>
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* Re: [yocto] hostile freenode takeover
2021-05-20 8:32 ` Nicolas Dechesne
@ 2021-05-20 10:18 ` Yocto
2021-05-20 12:55 ` Philip Balister
1 sibling, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Yocto @ 2021-05-20 10:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: yocto
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On 5/20/21 3:32 PM, Nicolas Dechesne wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 10:16 AM Quentin Schulz
> <quentin.schulz@streamunlimited.com
> <mailto:quentin.schulz@streamunlimited.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi Khem, all,
>
> On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 10:09:12AM -0700, Khem Raj wrote:
> > On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 9:56 AM Nicolas Dechesne
> > <nicolas.dechesne@linaro.org
> <mailto:nicolas.dechesne@linaro.org>> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 6:49 PM Jasper Orschulko
> <Jasper.Orschulko@iris-sensing.com
> <mailto:Jasper.Orschulko@iris-sensing.com>> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > >> Hash: SHA256
> > >>
> > >> Dear all,
> > >>
> > >> there have been recent reports of a hostile takeover of the
> freenode
> > >> service, as described in
> > >>
> https://gist.github.com/joepie91/df80d8d36cd9d1bde46ba018af497409
> <https://gist.github.com/joepie91/df80d8d36cd9d1bde46ba018af497409>
> > >>
> > >> The Yocto Project should verify these reports and take the
> necessary
> > >> actions, in order to protect its users.
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks for your email. We are aware, and have started to look
> into that.
> > >
> > > It looks like some open source communities have started to
> move to https://www.oftc.net/ <https://www.oftc.net/> or
> https://libera.chat/ <https://libera.chat/>.. If anyone wants to
> bring any insights or recommendations... feel free!
> >
> > perhaps good time to consider matrix
> >
>
> I disagree. Matrix just does not work. I've been using with a few
> friends with mixed homeservers, chat.privacytools.io
> <http://chat.privacytools.io>, matrix.org <http://matrix.org>,
> converser.eu <http://converser.eu> and self-hosted homeservers...
> I've sometimes not received
> tens of messages in a row, usually for a duration of at least 15 mins
> and there's obviously no indication whatsoever that I didn't receive
> messages except that the discussion does not make sense at all.
> And this
> happened to three other people on the room, each on a different
> homeserver
> than the other, so not a PEBKAC :) Sometimes there are delays for
> messages too (I've seen 30min delays), so the whole context is lost.
>
> For a federated chat solution, that's really a bummer that its main
> feature is just so buggy it's unusable.
>
> If YP is ok with potentially not receiving questions or having people
> ask questions and not receive answers, then fine by me :)
>
> I'm probably among the small (?) minority of people experiencing those
> issues but that's not a bet I'd take with my projects.
>
> My 2¢.
>
>
> I think the question of setting up Matrix for our community is a valid
> question, though I think it's orthogonal to the current problem. If
> freenode goes away , we need an alternate plan to move *right away* to
> another IRC server. If we want to setup addition communications means
> (such as Matrix or anything else) that needs to be discussed and it
> might take more time.
First let me say, there is nothing wrong with matrix, have used it every
day for years
Second
the discussion is now about libre
there's a relay to relay stuff between libera and freenode?!
magic
LiberaRelay (relay@2607:f5a0:0:7::9) has joined #hardenedbsd
[Libera] Relay (relay@user/relay) has joined #hardenedbsd
xmj: sup ? Libra?? whats dat ?
new irc net, made by freenode staffers that have been booted
freenode went through a hostile takeover
... in case you haven't noticed ;p
https://kline.sh/
>
> Cheers,
> Quentin
>
>
>
>
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* Re: [yocto] hostile freenode takeover
2021-05-20 8:32 ` Nicolas Dechesne
2021-05-20 10:18 ` Yocto
@ 2021-05-20 12:55 ` Philip Balister
1 sibling, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Philip Balister @ 2021-05-20 12:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Nicolas Dechesne, Quentin Schulz
Cc: Khem Raj, Jasper Orschulko, yocto@lists.yoctoproject.org
On 5/20/21 4:32 AM, Nicolas Dechesne wrote:
> On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 10:16 AM Quentin Schulz <
> quentin.schulz@streamunlimited.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Khem, all,
>>
>> On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 10:09:12AM -0700, Khem Raj wrote:
>>> On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 9:56 AM Nicolas Dechesne
>>> <nicolas.dechesne@linaro.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 6:49 PM Jasper Orschulko <
>> Jasper.Orschulko@iris-sensing.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>>>> Hash: SHA256
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>
>>>>> there have been recent reports of a hostile takeover of the freenode
>>>>> service, as described in
>>>>> https://gist.github.com/joepie91/df80d8d36cd9d1bde46ba018af497409
>>>>>
>>>>> The Yocto Project should verify these reports and take the necessary
>>>>> actions, in order to protect its users.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your email. We are aware, and have started to look into
>> that.
>>>>
>>>> It looks like some open source communities have started to move to
>> https://www.oftc.net/ or https://libera.chat/.. If anyone wants to bring
>> any insights or recommendations... feel free!
>>>
>>> perhaps good time to consider matrix
>>>
>>
>> I disagree. Matrix just does not work. I've been using with a few
>> friends with mixed homeservers, chat.privacytools.io, matrix.org,
>> converser.eu and self-hosted homeservers... I've sometimes not received
>> tens of messages in a row, usually for a duration of at least 15 mins
>> and there's obviously no indication whatsoever that I didn't receive
>> messages except that the discussion does not make sense at all. And this
>> happened to three other people on the room, each on a different homeserver
>> than the other, so not a PEBKAC :) Sometimes there are delays for
>> messages too (I've seen 30min delays), so the whole context is lost.
>>
>> For a federated chat solution, that's really a bummer that its main
>> feature is just so buggy it's unusable.
>>
>> If YP is ok with potentially not receiving questions or having people
>> ask questions and not receive answers, then fine by me :)
>>
>> I'm probably among the small (?) minority of people experiencing those
>> issues but that's not a bet I'd take with my projects.
>>
>> My 2¢.
>>
>
> I think the question of setting up Matrix for our community is a valid
> question, though I think it's orthogonal to the current problem. If
> freenode goes away , we need an alternate plan to move *right away* to
> another IRC server. If we want to setup addition communications means (such
> as Matrix or anything else) that needs to be discussed and it might take
> more time.
We have registered #oe and #yocto on libera already, so we can easily
transition irc servers as the situation develops.
Philip
>
>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Quentin
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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